Originally posted by JacKatMtn


We need to wake up... left, center or right.. this can't go on...

You're right. "WE THE PEOPLE" are at fault.

Can we fix this, is the better question, short of Revolution?

Originally posted by VaterOrlaag


At least admit that Romney is one slimy bastard that wouldn't provide much of an improvement over Obama.

I have. You only see what you want to see.

Vote Gary Johnson.

Well. it's sad it took only that long for the ultra-partisans and everyone in general to throw the apolitical nature of a United States Consulate being over-run and completely destroyed out the window and make it another partisan gutter fight.

It isn't about the GOP and it's not about the DNC. Individual people may have things to answer for and in due time, all will be known on that. At the moment, we still have hundreds of OTHER compounds and absolutely nothing I've heard to indicate reasons we should feel confident there are not future incidents set to happen. One success breeds confidence and I suggest we have a much bigger problem than this right/left R-D hate base B.S..

The Race, Economic, Class and Status divisions the leadership of this nation is using to play us all like Grand Pianos is both brilliant and scary. It really does require taking a giant step back for even a short time to see how badly infected almost everything across ALL of society has become with it. It's ALL defined by division of one sort or another...and damned if it's not fed into with extra helpings here, too.

And leadership is a Conservative court, a far Right House and far Left Senate and White House that I swear must kinda lean a little left these days. The whole building...Just a hair off plumb. Below that are the agencies that REALLY run the nation every day and a total grab bag of R's and D's so totally mixed up it's just outright ignorant and silly to keep getting fixated on false splits.

When it's NORMAL PEOPLE ON THE STREET....the divisions are as artificial as the Christmas Tree I had last year...and the 5 years before that. The hate is real enough though and it's enough to keep Americans from being any more effective for anything but the low rumble of arguing over who can pee further.

I think ALL OF IT is deception and misdirection, total mind-# material. Who can keep up, especially as they're all psychopaths and most of us aren't. Every war has been based on lies. We're always told it's for some honorable purpose, some evil leader (who funnily enough they had been allies/in bed with up til then) is suddenly *killing his own people™*. Oh the horror! We need to go in and kill a bunch more of those people in the process of saving them from him! etc etc blah blah. It's ALL LIES; geopolitical maneuvering/resource stealing/war profiteering including rebuilding of said country we just destroyed...A big sick #ing game of Risk, that surely to # isn't in OUR best interests as it only creates more enemies and debt and erosion of credibility. Libya was/is a total lie à la Iraq. Ambassador Stevens was right in the thick of it from day 1, that's a fact. He was there and presumably made contacts and deals with those groups whom they armed and funded. Perhaps he made enemies, (apart from the Gaddafi loyalists), made promises/deals he couldn't keep, perhaps he knew some things they (his bosses) didn't want getting out, etc etc. Or maybe it was the Gaddafi loyalists getting some payback. I think it was done purposely, cutting the security. I don't think it was mismanagement, I think it was deliberate. Someone above said "staked them out like goats"- I think that's exactly what was done. They are using those American deaths to further their agenda, whatever it might be-to justify further military action in the area, garner public outrage, build up more troops, ready to be deployed into Syria maybe(the next big lie) etc etc. I don't think it matters what Obama did or didn't do, said or didn't say- it's all part of a bigger #ed up picture. And that's probably exactly why they're hanging the Libyans on the payroll out to dry, they know things it's dangerous for them to know. As someone above said, it's more about our #ed up foreign policies than any one politician. Anyway, that's my opinion.

What a bastard. I suppose it's okay because they aren't Americans, right?

The BS is deep in this thread golf clap for blaming the GOP just forget that Pakistani doctor sitting in prision so we know who can claim:

GM is alive and Bin Laden is dead but hey he isn't American so who really cares.

If Issa is a censored what does that make the current potus.

I would say they wont them killed.
so they can not talk about things they know.

Obama cleaning house !

Let's be honest OP.

You could care less about the security of our nation or our foreign operatives.

Your pissed because the truth is now in the light of day and it makes you guy look like the indept, bumbling, politically motivated hump that he is.

By the way, for the record... For those of you who lack critical thinking skills, that are assuming just because I'm attacking the GOP... quit assuming I'm a fan of Obama.

I'm voting for Gary Johnson a Conservative Libertarian.