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Does Romney have control of Ohio voting machines?

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posted on Oct, 19 2012 @ 11:26 PM
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Will Bain-Linked E-Voting Machines Give Romney the White House?


This November, much of the Ohio electorate will cast its ballots on machines again owned by close cronies of the Republican presidential candidate. In Cincinnati and elsewhere around the state, the e-voting apparati are owned by Hart Intercivic. Hart's machines are infamous for mechanical failures, "glitches," counting errors and other timely problems now thoroughly identified with the way Republicans steal elections. As in 2004, Ohio's governor is now a Republican. This time it's the very right-wing John Kasich, himself a multi-millionaire courtesy of a stint at Lehman Brothers selling state bonds, and the largesse of Rupert Murdoch, on whose Fox Network Kasich served as a late night bloviator. Murdoch wrote Kasich a game-changing $1 million check just prior to his winning the statehouse, an electoral victory shrouded in electronic intrigue. The exit polls in that election indicated that his opponent, incumbent Democrat Ted Strickland, had actually won the popular vote.

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Does the Romney Family Now Own Your e-Vote?


Will you cast your vote this fall on a faulty electronic machine that's partly owned by the Romney Family? Will that machine decide whether Romney will then inherit the White House? Through a closely held equity fund called Solamere, Mitt Romney and his wife, son and brother are major investors in an investment firm called H.I.G. Capital. H.I.G. in turn holds a majority share and three out of five board members in Hart Intercivic, a company that owns the notoriously faulty electronic voting machines that will count the ballots in swing state Ohio November 7. Hart machines will also be used elsewhere in the United States.

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Does Mitt Romney's Son Tagg Have An Investment In Some Ohio Voting Machines?


Tagg Romney made headlines yesterday after he said in an interview that he wanted to punch Barack Obama during the presidential debate on Monday night. Mitt Romney's 42 year old son, who has already faced criticism for his dealings with Allen Stanford who was convicted of milking investors out of $8 Billion in a Ponzi scheme, may have much bigger questions to answer after shocking allegations brought forth by PolitcolNews.com. The website claims that Romney owns an interest in Hart Intercivic voting machines which will be used to calculate votes in Hamilton County. If true, this raises serious questions as there were a number of red flags during the 2004 campaign that saw George Bush defeat John Kerry which some Ohio politicos still call into question for strange calculations that Diebold voting machines, who had openly supported Bush, came up with that November.

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The Diebold conspiracy has been discussed a lot, but now Romney may be trying to rig the 2012 election with Hart Intercivic voting machines.
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posted on Oct, 19 2012 @ 11:32 PM
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I am all for a fair match -

But...

If they cheat, I am gonna go nutz, plain and simple, things are gonna get ugly.



posted on Oct, 19 2012 @ 11:32 PM
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I sincerely don't care if Romney rigs every state - that commie bastard in the WH now has got to GO.


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posted on Oct, 19 2012 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM
I sincerely don't care if Romney rigs every state - that commie bastard in the WH now has got to GO.


We all know how you guys roll

Your politicians would blow up buildings if it could make them some money


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posted on Oct, 19 2012 @ 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM
I sincerely don't care if Romney rigs every state - that commie bastard in the WH now has got to GO.


This seems to be a pretty common sentiment nowadays - I'm all for a crooked, corrupt system so long as I get my way.

We should all mourn the USA that once was, for it is long dead.



posted on Oct, 19 2012 @ 11:59 PM
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I always said about the 2000 and 04 elections that if my dad was a former head of the CIA, I could be president too--and Im not even American...

If Romney is pulling this scam too, then I guess I was wrong. I now want to know how much I can purchase your country for?



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by campanionator

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
I sincerely don't care if Romney rigs every state - that commie bastard in the WH now has got to GO.


We all know how you guys roll

Your politicians would blow up buildings if it could make them some money




And soon they'll be your politicians, too. Enjoy.



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by campanionator

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
I sincerely don't care if Romney rigs every state - that commie bastard in the WH now has got to GO.


We all know how you guys roll

Your politicians would blow up buildings if it could make them some money




And soon they'll be your politicians, too. Enjoy.


Not without a fight



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by campanionator

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by campanionator

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
I sincerely don't care if Romney rigs every state - that commie bastard in the WH now has got to GO.


We all know how you guys roll

Your politicians would blow up buildings if it could make them some money




And soon they'll be your politicians, too. Enjoy.


Not without a fight


You're fighting now. And losing.



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 12:29 AM
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Please. Is there anyone here who seriously believes that the voting process is either fair, or even actually counted? Politics is the show. It's only there to convince people that they have a say...that they (and I, of course) are not part time slaves, in contrast to every actual observable bit of evidence. All they have to do is convince us to go and vote. That gives the cover necessary, to put the next guy in there. But anyone who was paying attention for the primary votes, can easily tell that it will come out however TPTB have already decided. Ron Paul threw a very small wrench in their plans. They had to actually have a convention vote to change the rules, merely to keep him from making a fifteen minute speech.

We watched John Boehner read the results of the "vote" off the teleprompter. He read, " In the opinion of the chair, the Ayes have it.". This was for the rule change that said you had to have eight, not six, state wins to be nominated. Then they had to do the same thing at the Democratic convention, because they got caught, and then had to create the impression that that is just how it works. Wake up folks. If they are that scared of one little old man, telling the truth for fifteen minutes, do you think they will have any compunctions about total fraud? Where are our purple fingers? I thought not....



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by Enderdog
Please. Is there anyone here who seriously believes that the voting process is either fair, or even actually counted?


Nope.



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 12:34 AM
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Currently, without using any voting machines, Real Clear Politics' average of the recent Ohio polls puts Obama ahead by one-tenth of a percent. Are you saying that in this case if Obama wins by one percent, it's fair, but if Romney wins by one percent, the machines were fixed?

If they're basically tied now, isn't it reasonable that either one of them could win by a little, even if every vote was treated perfectly?

Well, one good thing about this is that if Romney happens to win, there will be more reasons offered to explain it than just "Racism."

On a slightly side issue. Why in the world is this election tied up now? How come Obama doesn't have a 5-10 point lead?



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 01:01 AM
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Originally posted by charles1952
Currently, without using any voting machines, Real Clear Politics' average of the recent Ohio polls puts Obama ahead by one-tenth of a percent. Are you saying that in this case if Obama wins by one percent, it's fair, but if Romney wins by one percent, the machines were fixed?

If they're basically tied now, isn't it reasonable that either one of them could win by a little, even if every vote was treated perfectly?

Well, one good thing about this is that if Romney happens to win, there will be more reasons offered to explain it than just "Racism."

On a slightly side issue. Why in the world is this election tied up now? How come Obama doesn't have a 5-10 point lead?


Why are you lying Charles???

This the current RCP average and polls for Ohio



RCP Average 10/5 - 10/18 -- -- 48.1 45.6 Obama +2.5
FOX News 10/17 - 10/18 1131 LV 3.0 46 43 Obama +3
Rasmussen Reports 10/17 - 10/17 750 LV 4.0 49 48 Obama +1
SurveyUSA 10/12 - 10/15 613 LV 4.0 45 42 Obama +3
PPP (D) 10/12 - 10/13 880 LV 3.3 51 46 Obama +5
Gravis Marketing 10/6 - 10/10 1313 LV 2.7 45 46 Romney +1
NBC/WSJ/Marist 10/7 - 10/9 994 LV 3.1 51 45 Obama +6
ARG 10/5 - 10/8 600 LV 4.0 47 48 Romney +1
CNN/Opinion Research 10/5 - 10/8 722 LV 3.5 51 47 Obama +4



www.realclearpolitics.com...


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posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 01:04 AM
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Originally posted by charles1952
Currently, without using any voting machines, Real Clear Politics' average of the recent Ohio polls puts Obama ahead by one-tenth of a percent. Are you saying that in this case if Obama wins by one percent, it's fair, but if Romney wins by one percent, the machines were fixed?

If they're basically tied now, isn't it reasonable that either one of them could win by a little, even if every vote was treated perfectly?

Well, one good thing about this is that if Romney happens to win, there will be more reasons offered to explain it than just "Racism."

On a slightly side issue. Why in the world is this election tied up now? How come Obama doesn't have a 5-10 point lead?


In fact Obama has been ahead of Romney 57 times in all the Ohio polls this year

Romney out polled Obama 9 times in the same period



RCP Average 10/5 - 10/18 -- -- 48.1 45.6 Obama +2.5
FOX News 10/17 - 10/18 1131 LV 3.0 46 43 Obama +3
Rasmussen Reports 10/17 - 10/17 750 LV 4.0 49 48 Obama +1
SurveyUSA 10/12 - 10/15 613 LV 4.0 45 42 Obama +3
PPP (D) 10/12 - 10/13 880 LV 3.3 51 46 Obama +5
Rasmussen Reports 10/10 - 10/10 750 LV 4.0 48 47 Obama +1
Gravis Marketing 10/6 - 10/10 1313 LV 2.7 45 46 Romney +1
NBC/WSJ/Marist 10/7 - 10/9 994 LV 3.1 51 45 Obama +6
ARG 10/5 - 10/8 600 LV 4.0 47 48 Romney +1
CNN/Opinion Research 10/5 - 10/8 722 LV 3.5 51 47 Obama +4
SurveyUSA 10/5 - 10/8 808 LV 3.5 45 44 Obama +1
WeAskAmerica 10/4 - 10/4 1200 LV 3.0 46 47 Romney +1
Rasmussen Reports 10/4 - 10/4 500 LV 4.5 50 49 Obama +1
NBC/WSJ/Marist 9/30 - 10/1 931 LV 3.2 51 43 Obama +8
PPP (D) 9/27 - 9/30 897 LV 3.3 49 45 Obama +4
Columbus Dispatch* 9/19 - 9/29 1662 LV 2.2 51 42 Obama +9
Gravis Marketing 9/21 - 9/22 594 LV 4.3 45 44 Obama +1
Washington Post 9/19 - 9/23 759 LV 4.5 52 44 Obama +8
CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac 9/18 - 9/24 1162 LV 3.0 53 43 Obama +10
Purple Strategies 9/15 - 9/19 600 LV 4.0 48 44 Obama +4
FOX News 9/16 - 9/18 1009 LV 3.0 49 42 Obama +7
Ohio Newspapers/Univ of Cin. 9/13 - 9/18 861 LV 3.3 51 46 Obama +5
Caddell/McLaughlin/SAN (R) 9/13 - 9/15 600 LV 4.0 47 44 Obama +3
Rasmussen Reports 9/12 - 9/12 500 LV 4.5 47 46 Obama +1
ARG 9/10 - 9/12 600 LV 4.0 48 47 Obama +1
NBC/WSJ/Marist 9/9 - 9/11 979 LV 3.1 50 43 Obama +7
PPP (D) 9/7 - 9/9 1072 LV 3.0 50 45 Obama +5
Gravis Marketing 9/7 - 9/8 1548 LV 2.7 47 43 Obama +4
Gravis Marketing 9/2 - 9/2 1381 RV 2.9 44 47 Romney +3
Gravis Marketing 8/27 - 8/27 1397 RV 3.0 45 44 Obama +1
Columbus Dispatch* 8/15 - 8/25 1758 LV 2.1 45 45 Tie
Ohio Poll/Univ of Cin. 8/16 - 8/21 847 LV 3.4 49 46 Obama +3
CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac 8/15 - 8/21 1253 LV 3.0 50 44 Obama +6
Purple Strategies 8/13 - 8/14 600 LV 4.0 44 46 Romney +2
Rasmussen Reports 8/13 - 8/13 500 LV 4.5 45 45 Tie
PPP (D) 8/9 - 8/12 961 LV 3.2 48 45 Obama +3
CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac 7/24 - 7/30 1193 LV 3.0 50 44 Obama +6
WeAskAmerica* 7/24 - 7/24 1115 LV 3.0 48 40 Obama +8
Rasmussen Reports 7/18 - 7/18 500 LV 4.5 47 45 Obama +2
Purple Strategies 7/9 - 7/13 600 LV 4.0 48 45 Obama +3
Quinnipiac 6/19 - 6/25 1237 RV 2.8 47 38 Obama +9
PPP (D) 6/21 - 6/24 673 RV 3.8 47 44 Obama +3
Purple Strategies 5/31 - 6/5 600 LV 4.0 45 48 Romney +3
Rasmussen Reports 5/29 - 5/29 500 LV 4.5 44 46 Romney +2
NBC News/Marist 5/17 - 5/20 1103 RV 3.0 48 42 Obama +6
Quinnipiac 5/2 - 5/7 1069 RV 3.0 45 44 Obama +1
PPP (D) 5/3 - 5/6 875 RV 3.3 50 43 Obama +7
Quinnipiac 4/25 - 5/1 1130 RV 2.9 44 42 Obama +2
Purple Strategies 4/19 - 4/23 600 LV 4.1 49 44 Obama +5
Rasmussen Reports 4/18 - 4/18 500 LV 4.5 46 42 Obama +4
FOX News 4/15 - 4/17 606 RV 4.0 45 39 Obama +6
Rasmussen Reports 3/26 - 3/26 500 LV 4.5 48 40 Obama +8
Quinnipiac 3/20 - 3/26 1246 RV 2.8 47 41 Obama +6
NBC News/Marist 2/29 - 3/2 1573 RV 2.5 50 38 Obama +12
FOX News 2/11 - 2/13 505 RV 4.5 38 44 Romney +6
Quinnipiac 2/7 - 2/12 1421 RV 2.6 46 44 Obama +2
Rasmussen Reports 2/8 - 2/8 500 LV 4.5 45 41 Obama +4
PPP (D) 1/28 - 1/29 820 RV 3.4 49 42 Obama +7
Quinnipiac 1/9 - 1/16 1610 RV 2.4 44 42 Obama +2
Quinnipiac 11/28 - 12/5 1437 RV 2.6 42 43 Romney +1
PPP (D) 11/4 - 11/6 1022 LV 3.1 50 41 Obama +9
Quinnipiac 10/31 - 11/7 1312 RV 2.7 45 42 Obama +3
Quinnipiac 10/17 - 10/23 1668 RV 2.4 45 41 Obama +4
PPP (D) 10/13 - 10/16 581 RV 4.1 46 46 Tie
Quinnipiac 9/20 - 9/25 1301 RV 2.7 44 42 Obama +2
PPP (D) 8/11 - 8/14 792 RV 3.5 45 43 Obama +2
Quinnipiac 7/12 - 7/18 1659 RV 2.4 45 41 Obama +4
PPP (D) 5/19 - 5/22 565 RV 4.1 46 42 Obama +4
PPP (D) 3/10 - 3/13 559 RV 4.1 46 40 Obama +6
PPP (D) 12/10 - 12/12 510 RV 4.3 44 42 Obama +2




posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 01:14 AM
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Dear campanionator,

I'm sure you're right, and I applaud your efforts in finding that. It seems as though the trend has changed lately, I suppose it was the first debate that had something to do with it.

I'm afraid that in every state with a winner with a margin of 1% or so, the other side will be claiming vote fraud. I suppose we'll just have to let the lawyers fight it out. Heck of a way to run a country. But still, why is it such a close race? Everybody loved Obama four years ago, even Republicans liked him, he was at 70% approval. He shouldn't have to be scrambling like this.

With respect,
Charles1952

P.s. I promise not to take to the streets if my guy loses. There's enough anger and hatred in this country as it is. I think I'll just shake the other guy's hand and pray that it doesn't all blow up. - C -



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 01:41 AM
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I was wondering when this would start. When I saw Romney was in the lead in Pennsylvania I was wondering when the hints of another 'stolen' election was going to start. Then I come on here tonight and see Ohio and 'rigged elections', I had to laugh.

I really think that to many here have gotten sucked so far into the conspiracy mindset, that now EVERYTHING is a conspiracy. Obama is going to lose, its not a conspiracy. There are SO many people who are absolutely fed up and will vote for Romney just to get rid of Obama.

There really aren't that many liberals in the country. Even if you count in every single possible Black voter in the country your looking at least to a 2 to 1 deficit. Blacks make up 12.6% of the population. No offense, but the Hispanic turnout won't be enough to make a difference. A lot of Hispanics I know aren't happy with Obama and I've even heard a fair share talk of voting for Romney or not voting.

Obama is losing votes in just about every possible other demographic also. There aren't enough 'white guilt' voters.

I live in Illinois and Obama is losing in C(r)ook county. The folks down in southern Illinois are definitely not as blue as you might think. Where I live I've seen three Obama signs this year, four years ago you had to look to NOT see one.

The Senior Citizens aren't as senile as the liberals might like to believe. They know whats going on and they are onto Obama.

Romney doesn't need to cheat, he doesn't need the Bilderberg's approval. There are enough people against Obama that the former is pointless and the latter isn't feasible without tipping their hand. This is my opinion based on what I see in everyday interactions with people. Romney will win and it may just be a BIG win.

*I reserve judgment on the Bilderberg influence at this time. I've seen enough evidence to know what they are, but I'm not sure they are really ready to tip their hand just yet, for a variety of reasons. That, however is not the subject of this thread.

peace

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posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 01:56 AM
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Bain won't play dirty and neither will Romney.

*nudges some bills deeper into pocket*

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves for doubting our democratic system.



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 02:14 AM
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The real question is......

Will the Romney vote stealing (if any) out number the Obama vote stealing ?

How do those voting machines do the "fixing" ?



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 02:34 AM
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I wonder if we will end up seeing another supreme court election decision.

I think if things came to that, it would really force America into a state of dissidence, and anger. I think especially with the type of timing that would be happening in (around 12/21/12) it would only multiply peoples anxieties, admitted or not, about things heading towards a major calamity.

Canada got rid of its electronic voter machines after using them one cycle, finding them too easy to be manipulated. Many other countries with voting systems also shy away from electronic ballot systems for this exact reason.

Sad, with all the propositions and measures on the ballot in my state. You wish you would see one protecting the validity of the votes, instead of these moron politicians forcing voter ID laws on people. What about not privatizing our voting process to privately owned companies? How about that protection for the sanctity of voting



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 04:01 AM
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doesnt need to, just the electoral votes ^^

just look at the result of bush election years, some states had 250k votes more than people in the state, some were missing 10-20 k votes in others, theres a program that can be installed on a thumbnail drive that basically flips every other vote ^^ the machines are junk and currently only two companies make them, and guess what, they are BROTHERS heh, wow just another coincidence heh you know like bush brother in charge of world trade towers security, and oklahoma

but no one contested, gee go figa



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