WIll the Antichrist be the most honorable man who had ever lived?

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posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 09:34 AM
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posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by PurpleChiten
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Hate to break it to you...well, actually, I don't hate it at all.... but country of origin does not determine religion, especially back in the biblical days. The terms do not denote Muslim at all, chances are, he's going to be a born-again fundamentalist evangelical and there are plenty to choose from that already fit the description of the kind of hatred and violence that will end up being displayed...

I HATE, HATE, HATE the fundamentalist evangelical group for the damage they have done to Christianity. I hate their blasphemy, I hate their hypocrisy, I hate their evil nature. They are NOT What Christ envisioned and that group itself may be the anti-christ as a whole instead of a single person.


A fundie would not:

A: Deny the divinity of Christ.
B: Deny that Jesus is the Son of God.

The same apostle that wrote the Apocalypse also wrote those are the two identifying marks of the spirit of antichrist. I'm not trying to offend you in any way, but you should not rely on prejudicial arbitrary conjectures to determine one's belief in regards to what the prophecies state. That's employing eisegsis and not exegesis, it's a complete context fail. The antichrist in Christianity is Islam's Mahdi. The nations Christ judges and destroys when He returns in Joel chapter 3 are all middle eastern Islamic nations today. Nothing fits a fundie Christian for the AC and nothjng in the prophecies excludes a Muslim, in fact, all key components point directly to a Muslim.



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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You don't seem to undertand. They don't deny THEIR idea of who Christ is, but that's not who Christ is. They have the wrong concept of Christ as was taught to them by their "preachers" who have no idea either. The idea of Christ that they worship and put forth is not Christ. It's some warped distortion of Christ.

So, in essence, they ARE denying the real Christ and his real teachings in favor of the ideas they have that aren't Christ like at all.

You are going on your interpretations based on your faulty foundation. Of course you think you're right, it's the idea that's been drilled into you. But you have some serious misconceptions that can only be overcome with a great deal of time and study. There's no short, quick answer to show you the flaws, it will take years and years of study, honest, questioning study, for you to see where the fault is




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posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by PurpleChiten
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You don't seem to undertand. They don't deny THEIR idea of who Christ is, but that's not who Christ is. They have the wrong concept of Christ as was taught to them by their "preachers" who have no idea either. The idea of Christ that they worship and put forth is not Christ. It's some warped distortion of Christ.

So, in essence, they ARE denying the real Christ and his real teachings in favor of the ideas they have that aren't Christ like at all.

You are going on your interpretations based on your faulty foundation. Of course you think you're right, it's the idea that's been drilled into you. But you have some serious misconceptions that can only be overcome with a great deal of time and study. There's no short, quick answer to show you the flaws, it will take years and years of study, honest, questioning study, for you to see where the fault is




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Do you have anything to add that isn't completely arbitrary? Any sources or references to the Bible?



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 10:26 AM
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All I can do is bring it to your attention. If you choose to act on it, great. If you choose to continue on the path you are on, then the consequences for doing so are entirely upon you.

I did what I was meant to do, the rest is up to you.



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by PurpleChiten
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All I can do is bring it to your attention. If you choose to act on it, great. If you choose to continue on the path you are on, then the consequences for doing so are entirely upon you.

I did what I was meant to do, the rest is up to you.


You provided prejudicial arbitrary conjectures, do you have anything other than that I am asking.



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by PurpleChiten
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All I can do is bring it to your attention. If you choose to act on it, great. If you choose to continue on the path you are on, then the consequences for doing so are entirely upon you.

I did what I was meant to do, the rest is up to you.


You provided prejudicial arbitrary conjectures, do you have anything other than that I am asking.


Yes, I have years of study and years of searching. However, that is for ME, you have to get your own years of study and searchig under your belt. It'll be much easier now with the internet to help you.

I can only point out the journey, you have to decide whether to take it or not. In my opinion, Christ is more than worth the journey, but that's for me and my opinion. You have to decide whether he's worth it to you.



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 10:33 AM
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That's an appeal to authority statement, it's not logical.



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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That's an appeal to authority statement, it's not logical.


You can continue to twist and turn and try to talk your way out of it, or you can make the choice to do the work and research. My part is finished, the rest is on you.



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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That's an appeal to authority statement, it's not logical.


You can continue to twist and turn and try to talk your way out of it, or you can make the choice to do the work and research. My part is finished, the rest is on you.


Huh? I've pointed out you've offered arbitrary conjectures and appealed to your own authority. How is that my gaff? I'm just waiting for some supported replies and or Biblical references, nothing more. You can be arbitrary and subjective, but you really haven't provided a single valid counter-point to what I provided earlier. If you have nothing more than subjective belief then just say so and I'll leave it at that.



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 10:45 AM
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I see you aren't ready yet. Perhaps the time will come, perhaps not. May God lead you to the right path so you can find His truth before it's too late.



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 10:57 AM
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Genesis 1 tells us that a seed can only produce a creation like itself. Wheat will reproduce wheat, Tares will reproduce Tares, thus is is impossible one Born of the True Spirit(Wheat) can part in the wicked deeds of the antichrist(Tare).

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?


Antichrist- that Son of Perdition will be one with his Father
John 8:44 .... He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.

Once again, IMPOSSIBLE for one that belongs to God, that the Spirit indwells to accomplish those deeds
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With that said, I do wish to caution impatient Christians that want to speed things along. Too many stoke the flames of conflict between peoples in the Mideast than fulfill their Comission in spreading the Gospel. Sometimes I think they are more interested in justifying their particular view of Eschatology, then desiring Everlasting Peace with Our Lord.

James 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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I really hope the Anti Christ comes soon, but I will wait like all the others. We can't let our blind religion control us anymore. We have to be Illuminated, the dark ages have to end. Permanently.



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 11:55 AM
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I believe that all is nothing more than self-fulfilling prophesy however it plays out.

It would only stand to reason that if one man were to reign over the entire planet,that he/she would be considered honorable,or so feared/respected,that no one would dare question his/her authority.

Almost everything in this world can be boiled down to greed,fear,and ignorance.

There is no safety here,we are just animals which developed the capacity to think,and are trying to justify/explain our own existence.

Nobody is coming to save you,nobody is coming to destroy you,you just live until you die.

There may be more to it,but all of the dead people I know haven't gotten back to me anyway,except for in my dreams,and then,they didn't make much sense in what they had to say.

Wishful thinking just doesn't work for me anymore,after some of the things I have witnessed and done in my life first hand.

The more I look,the less I see.

The more I learn,the less I know.



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by PurpleChiten
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 


Hate to break it to you...well, actually, I don't hate it at all.... but country of origin does not determine religion, especially back in the biblical days. The terms do not denote Muslim at all, chances are, he's going to be a born-again fundamentalist evangelical and there are plenty to choose from that already fit the description of the kind of hatred and violence that will end up being displayed...

I HATE, HATE, HATE the fundamentalist evangelical group for the damage they have done to Christianity. I hate their blasphemy, I hate their hypocrisy, I hate their evil nature. They are NOT What Christ envisioned and that group itself may be the anti-christ as a whole instead of a single person.


A fundie would not:

A: Deny the divinity of Christ.
B: Deny that Jesus is the Son of God.

The same apostle that wrote the Apocalypse also wrote those are the two identifying marks of the spirit of antichrist. I'm not trying to offend you in any way, but you should not rely on prejudicial arbitrary conjectures to determine one's belief in regards to what the prophecies state. That's employing eisegsis and not exegesis, it's a complete context fail. The antichrist in Christianity is Islam's Mahdi. The nations Christ judges and destroys when He returns in Joel chapter 3 are all middle eastern Islamic nations today. Nothing fits a fundie Christian for the AC and nothjng in the prophecies excludes a Muslim, in fact, all key components point directly to a Muslim.


LOL sure..

I do BOTH A and B....
BUT...
I have the same belief as "his" supposed message..Well kind of...
I try to lead my life according to similar principals..
What does that make me....


OH WAIIIIT....

I got it....

Im a HUMAN BEING.....With values...



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 01:00 PM
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Very interesting subject especially if you are open to the Muslim perspective also. The Antichrists (dajjal) have very similar traits in each book. The difference is the Koran allows more information.

He will be a deceiver, Blind in one eye, A false miracle worker, possibly have the word infidel written between his eyes, Will be Jewish, followed by Jews and women.


Muslim scholars universally have concluded that the Dajjal will claim to be divine. According to the very well known Muslim scholar, Abu Ameenah Bilal Phillips, the Dajjal, “will claim to be God”.

While there are no specific traditions that state such directly, as a result of the fact that the Dajjal is, according to Islamic tradition, the false Jewish Messiah who claims to be God, most Muslims have deduced that the Dajjal will thus claim to be Jesus Christ by name.

answering-islam.org...

Same guy?



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 01:20 PM
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I HATE, HATE, HATE the fundamentalist evangelical group for the damage they have done to Christianity. I hate their blasphemy, I hate their hypocrisy, I hate their evil nature. They are NOT What Christ envisioned and that group itself may be the anti-christ as a whole instead of a single person.


You seem to be full of hate.
Have you ever thought that the lost are just playing their part and your hate will not help anyone's journey.
What if salvation involves rebuking the negative actions and loving the people regardless even the antichrist?



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 01:29 PM
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Actually, I'm on of the least hate filled people you will ever meet. That was a figure of speech....

I do hate that group because they have bastardized what Christianity is and that's something very important to me. If something that you hold in the highest regard was distorted in that way, you would hate the perpetrators as well would you not?


...say someone were to rape your daughter? Someone were to shoot your mother in cold blood then laugh about it... same principle



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 01:42 PM
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It is the most difficult thing to do, is it not, to love the sinner but hate the sin?



posted on Oct, 20 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by MsAphrodite
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It is the most difficult thing to do, is it not, to love the sinner but hate the sin?


Yes, which is why I hate the "group" but don't hate the individual members of the extremist fundamentalist evangelicals. They were just led astray by others. They still have the chance to overcome that, but they have to take the first step.





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