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reply posted on 20-10-2012 @ 05:52 PM by Iwinder
Good thread and I feel there are a lot of variables in the mix, here in Canada we have our own troubles and here is one example.

Text Canada is hardly alone in persevering with coal. Germany, the bastion of alternative energy, has seen its coal consumption rise 5% since the government started mothballing its nuclear energy plans. BP’s annual energy review shows coal consumption grew 10% in China and around 11% in India and South Korea. “Coal still accounts for about 80% of the energy production in China and 45% in Japan, and coal will remain the baseload for Japan even as it moves away from nuclear, so globally it’s not possible to get away from coal,” Jeff Largey, a Macquarie analyst told Reuters. Meanwhile, nuclear has still not recovered from the Fukushiyama disaster last year, with key consumers such as Germany and Japan cancelling nuclear projects and switching to coal and natural gas. The International Atomic Energy Agency said it expects growth in nuclear energy capacity to slow down, but not reverse. The green movement is not exactly dead, as consuming countries remain keen to reduce their dependence on expensive hydrocarbon imports, but it would take fairer economic winds to revive interest. It would also take exceptional boldness from policymakers to push the industry forward — and that’s one commodity that’s hardest to find.


Quoted from this site here.
business.financialpost.com...


I have to agree that things are not what they seem to be, we are being clouted in the wallet just as hard as can be at the wrong time.

I saw in a flyer the other day CFL bulbs that you can now dim on sale for only $39.99 each, I am not joking!

We can fill a grocery cart for the price of two bulbs, yet our electricity bills are going through the roof here because of the stupid green movement.

S&F to the OP

Regards, Iwinder


reply posted on 20-10-2012 @ 06:02 PM by Hijinx
reply to post by Sissel



I think the reason is, that these were projects to set up solar farms so to speak.

I can see how a company installing panels, for clients would be a very profitable business, how ever the latter not so much. You obviously have some experience, if a company were to set up a solar array for the means of providing power as a green solution to coal, or gas power facilities could you understand employees having little to do? I do not have experience with solar panels, only what I've read, but if a facility were set up with an array of panels with the intention of providing public power would the operation be a flop or success?


reply posted on 20-10-2012 @ 06:36 PM by Sissel
Originally posted by Hijinx
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post by Sissel



I think the reason is, that these were projects to set up solar farms so to speak.

I can see how a company installing panels, for clients would be a very profitable business, how ever the latter not so much. You obviously have some experience, if a company were to set up a solar array for the means of providing power as a green solution to coal, or gas power facilities could you understand employees having little to do? I do not have experience with solar panels, only what I've read, but if a facility were set up with an array of panels with the intention of providing public power would the operation be a flop or success?


Here in Arizona, even the power companies are planning solar farms, so there will be work for people to set those up.

www.srpnet.com...

SRP has selected Iberdrola Renewables Inc. to build and operate a 20-megawatt solar photovoltaic (PV) power facility that would, for the first time, allow an Arizona utility's customers to save money by buying the green energy directly from SRP's land-mounted solar power plant. When completed, the solar facility would be the largest utility-scale solar photovoltaic facility of its kind in Arizona, producing enough power to serve more than 4,500 homes, said Mark Bonsall, SRP's associate general manager for Commercial and Customer Services


www.aps.com...

Click on the above link to read about it....this project won't be finished until 2013.

So all these workers could be employed through power companies.

Does this answer your question? I am not quite sure what kind of answer you want.

Also, there is lots of work in the recycling of old solar panels. They are highly toxic, and the materials in them can be recycled into new ones.


reply posted on 20-10-2012 @ 06:44 PM by Iwinder
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Have a read at this article, this is our local farm where my neighbour worked and as you can see almost 1000 people.

Today it is done and has a total of 12 workers now and most are part time.

All paid with the green feeling tax dollars.....

Link below
www.cbc.ca...

Everyone got to work rain or shine for 8 bucks and hour then they got the golden kick in the ass only to open their next bill for electricity and say WTF?

All nice and neat with their very own tax dollars.


Regards, Iwinder


reply posted on 20-10-2012 @ 06:49 PM by Sissel
Originally posted by Iwinder
reply to
post by Sissel



Have a read at this article, this is our local farm where my neighbour worked and as you can see almost 1000 people.

Today it is done and has a total of 12 workers now and most are part time.

All paid with the green feeling tax dollars.....

Link below
www.cbc.ca...


Everyone got to work rain or shine for 8 bucks and hour then they got the golden kick in the ass only to open their next bill for electricity and say WTF?

All nice and neat with their very own tax dollars.


Regards, Iwinder


I don't know what part of the country you are in, but in Arizona installers get paid a heck of a lot more than $8.00 per hour. None of them would even consider doing the job if that was all they got paid. It's in such a high demand here that a company is willing to fork over quite a bit to keep these guys busy.

Perhaps they need to relocate. Ooops, just realized you are in Canada!
edit on 20-10-2012 by Sissel because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 20-10-2012 @ 07:02 PM by Iwinder
reply to post by Sissel





TextI don't know what part of the country you are in, but in Arizona installers get paid a heck of a lot more than $8.00 per hour. None of them would even consider doing the job if that was all they got paid. It's in such a high demand here that a company is willing to fork over quite a bit to keep these guys busy. Perhaps they need to relocate.


And just how do they pack up their family and relocate after working a year at 8 bucks an hour?

Don't get me wrong I am not trying to be combative here, I just see the little guys getting squashed and put to pasture for the greater greed of the big guys.

I assure you if he and his work crew could relocate for much better money they would.
The problem is these types of jobs are dead end.
Eventually he will get work tearing down the same thing he put up and that too will be through government assistance.

Of course that is a way of saying you the tax payers are paying for big corporations to do what they want.

Google Enbridge Pipelines and you will see what I am talking about...

I do believe they have a powerful presence there in the USA.
Thanks for the banter and trading of thought here.
Regards, Iwinder



reply posted on 21-10-2012 @ 04:29 AM by xuenchen
Originally posted by zero1020
When you make a lot of investments there are bound to be a few that fail. Getting our foot in the green energy door is not a simple task there will be growing pains but America needs to be energy dependent, it's not all about creating jobs.


But.... Why invest in a losing proposition ?

"They HAD to know" !!

Ten years ago, solar panels were made mostly in the United States, Germany, and Japan. Chinese manufacturers made almost none. But by 2006, the Chinese company Suntech Power had the capacity to make over a million silicon-based solar panels a year and was already the world's third-largest producer.....

The Chinese Solar Machine


Since 2006 ..... the Chinese company was the 3rd largest in the world !!!!!

Obama & Co. had to know this





And, it looks like those cheap Chinese panels are creating U.S. jobs .... ?

Perhaps more than with the expensive panels ?

The solar-power business is expanding quickly in the U.S., helping lift the cloud that has surrounded the industry since the demise of Solyndra LLC a year ago.

But the growth isn't coming from U.S. solar-panel manufacturing, despite the money and rhetoric devoted to the industry by the Obama administration. Instead, it is in installations of largely foreign-made panels, whose falling price has made solar more competitive with other forms of power.

"There should be little emphasis put on where the panels are made," said Lyndon Rive, chief executive of SolarCity Corp., which finances and installs rooftop solar systems. "Most of the jobs are in delivery and they're long-term, permanent jobs."..................

Fueled by Cheap Chinese Panels, U.S. Solar Use Soars




BUT !!....




What will the new tariffs do to domestic prices ?
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States on Wednesday set steep final duties on billions of dollars of solar energy products from China, but turned down a request from lawmakers and U.S. manufacturers to expand the scope of its order.

Chinese solar manufacturers criticized the decision, adding more heat to the U.S.-China trade relationship following a congressional panel report on Monday urging American companies not to do business with two Chinese telecommunications companies because of security concerns.....

U.S. sets steep final duties on Chinese solar panels


At least we see some actual results from using a foreign made product !!


this entire Obama sucker punch was NOT about green energy....

Oh Wait !! Yes it was......."Green" as in cash, not green planet.


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