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Originally posted by boncho
The guy who jumped in the river is from the "elite" crowd. Last time I checked my parents didn't send me to a private school that cost 20,000 a year or buy me a 600,000 dollar house....
So what if he was? Elites protesting against their own is not unheard of.
Originally posted by TKDRL
Hmmmm, a few months for a harmless protest? Might as well kick some teeth in next protest and get your money's worth if you are going to jail a few months either way.......
R v Ong 2001 1 Cr App R (S) 117
Plan to turn off lights at Premiership football match. D intended to financially gain by placing bets. 4 years.
Originally posted by boncho
It wasn't a protest, it was a nuisance.
I knew I wanted to be a judge from when I was five. I come from the North West and when I grew up it was not common to move to London, and if you did, you needed to have a job to pay your way. So there was no way I could have gone to the Bar where income was irregular and uncertain. I became a solicitor, and was fortunate to become involved in some amazing litigation with a very high profile organisation. Through this I met and worked with a range of people and became a 'leader in my field' which gave me the opportunity to become a Recorder.
When I decided I wanted to go for full-time appointment, I realised that this did not fit with being the head of department in a City firm. I was responsible for a group of lawyers, a number of clients and had to report to the partnership. This was not compatible with pursuing a full time appointment. Partnerships require annual budgets and quarterly, if not weekly reviews. Clients have to be nurtured and prioritised. This is not consistent with trying to get a job elsewhere.
So a group of lawyers in my department got together and devised a plan. We moved to a smaller firm, SGH. I would pursue a full time appointment and responsibility for the practice would pass over that time to the person who had been senior associate in our team. It was a three year strategy and involved the cooperation and support of all members of our group, as well as the support and understanding of SGH partners. I continued to sit as a Recorder as often as possible and I also joined the Parole Board to learn more about serious crime and sentencing. As a Parole Board member I conducted a number of oral hearings in prisons across the UK which was invaluable experience. Through this work I met and worked with probation officers, which did a great deal to increase my understanding of what is involved in custodial and non custodial sentences.
If you're not being a nuisance you're not protesting.
Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by boncho
The point of the vids was to show you that the guys background is irrelevant, and your point was irrelevant. The judges background is irrelevant, social climbing is the game.
"Never Go Against the Family, Fredo!"
Originally posted by Phage
You're not protesting if no one knows what you're doing at the time or why you are doing it.
Originally posted by ANOK
Originally posted by boncho
It wasn't a protest, it was a nuisance.
What's the difference?
If you're not being a nuisance you're not protesting.
Did you watch the vids at all? You might find them interesting.
Originally posted by boncho
The judges background is relevant because she was part of the story in the OP.
The CRASS member, not so much.
Originally posted by ANOK
Originally posted by Phage
You're not protesting if no one knows what you're doing at the time or why you are doing it.
Good wisdom there bro.
A lot of people in this thread seem to have no idea what goes on at elitist events, and the long tradition of people protesting at them. Acts of civil disobedience don't have to be explained at the time of the act. The point is to bring issues to peoples attention, after the act. Us disusing it on ATS is attention to the issue. What he did obviously had an effect.
How is the protestors background relevant to his life now?
Originally posted by boncho
Many protests have crossed the line of protesting to criminal action. It's nothing new. Why shouldn't we just take everything we want by force? Well, some order needs to be in place.
How many labs have been blown up in protest to animal testing, bio-engineering, etc? Should we support those actions because the people doing it believe they are right?
The person who jumped in the water wasn't protesting, he has a personal grudge against people he resents. And he targeted a group of people (the boat racers) who don't represent that group any more than the customers of a jewelry shop would.
If I was the judge I would have thrown in a publication ban as well.
Originally posted by boncho
The same way Bernie Maddoff's background would be relevant to a new investor group.
I see you're of the 'protests are OK as long as they abide by the rules' crowd. The most effective protests break the law, sorry.
They wouldn't do that. But I guess you believe they do because you read some story somewhere?
Hmmm wrong. He was protesting the whole concept of the elite, of which the boat race is a central image in the UK. I keep saying this but the boating regattas in the UK are central to the social scene of the elites. They are a good target for pretesting the elite, have been for decades.
It's not the simple boat race you think it is. The Oxford-Cambridge boat race is a private race between the two high-brow elite universities, same every year. Not a race open for people to compete.