It's just a matter of days, now...

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Just a matter of days?

Well done first post. Thanks for educating the people, but I don't think neither Obama or Romney, and their supporters, got the memo...


They just keep telling us, don't worry....be happy...everything's gonna be okie dokey.

At what point will the 'off world security forces' that are mentioned in the other 'Gary Mckinnon Hacker' thread be called in?

Originally posted by Lonewulph
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Just a matter of days?

Well done first post. Thanks for educating the people, but I don't think neither Obama or Romney, and their supporters, got the memo...


They just keep telling us, don't worry....be happy...everything's gonna be okie dokey.

At what point will the 'off world security forces' that are mentioned in the other 'Gary Mckinnon Hacker' thread be called in?

edit on 20-10-2012 by Lonewulph because: (no reason given)

Troll alot??

Ive gained some insight by this thread, and even gained some
"ok i wasnt so off". Been thinking alot about this aswell.
And SOMETHING is about, around the corner so to speak...

Gutfeelings are good indicators...

reply to post by herrw

Yeah,it is a downer,but a great first post.

Maybe you should do what all the happy drunk optimist/religious zealot types keep telling me...

Life seems like that to you because you have a bad attitude,go enjoy yourself celebrating every stupid profit generating holiday.Don't worry,be stupid and happy,there is no dark side if you don't want to see it...

They tell me this to no avail,because I look at them and see plainly why what you of speak of WILL happen.

Mankind never created a damned thing in this world but imbalance.

There is a great leveling coming,and it won't be pretty.

Prepare for it by preparing to become really small on short notice.

Have you ever really tried to catch a mouse without a trap?,good luck with that.

Everything we need was there the day we were weened from Momma's bosom and struck out into the world.

Everything excepting all the crap we were indoctrinated with to make profit from,like livestock...

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Not sure what troll means
But I support the OP, simply said I don't think the powers to be got the memo.
Joke fell flat I suppose.

Originally posted by herrw
First thread here, so be gentle.

My major field of study is in the dynamics of large and small collectives, something I've studied for many years. No, I'm not an academician. I'm an author and a poet and a playwrite and a damn hard working individual. But it would be wrong of me not to share what I've developed with others who might listen.

Part of the study of collectives is understanding how they respond to different types of threats. Collectives almost always respond in the same manner to the same stimuli, because when a dissimilar group of individuals gather together for action their common attributes determine the nature of the collective intellect. As they have little in common, this tends to be the subconcious motivations. Specific to this problem are hunger threats, safety threats, and moral threats. I have social equations for these, and would be pleased to share them with anyone who wishes (although I don't know how to draw equations in BBcode).

Hunger threats result in a tendency for revolution.
Security threats result in a tendency for violence.
Moral threats result in a tendency for destruction.

To understand where we are headed in the next many days, one must understand where we are first. We have trillions of dollars in print, but none are being spent. These are dammed up behind the banks like a leaking reservoir. We must print this money to support a citizenry which cannot support itself after economic collapse. If we did not do so, it would result in revolution. (hunger threat) Additionally, we are constantly reminded of the possibility of security threats. The government must respond (even ineffectively) or violence will erupt. Finally, we have devided western society into two moral camps--progressive liberalism and social conservatism--which can neither communicate effectively nor abide each other's presence.

So here's what you're looking at as a catastrophe, if you're the fear porn type.

First, the stock market will recover on positive news. It will jump wildly upward, and all reports will herald the end of the great recession. This is not the end. This is the beginning of the end.

Next, business spikes. This will take all of a week. Banks will loosen their hold on their reserves of cash. That cash is worthless to them unless it is used, but up until this point they've been afraid to take the risk of releasing it...

That's my first post. Sorry if it's a downer.

Well it's an interesting theory. But it looks like you're long on explaining your qualifications and expertise and short on details as to how this is going to play out. Am I right in thinking that the big bang, that will start the ultimate and rapid decline, leading to the revolution, violence and destruction, that is the reaction of a threatened society, is the hyper inflation that results from the releasing of all the paper, digital, money that has been created over the last years? Money that was intended to relieve the hardships of the population as a result of the most recent financial calamity, vast sums that never made it to these hardship cases, but instead have been hoarded by the banks because of the fear of not having it. (Probably trying to shore up their balance sheets.) And now because the economy appears to be doing better they, the banks, are about to drop this big buck bomb, that is going to ignite inflation and be the beginning of our end. From here it is the well worn story of economic collapse, recalcitrant ideologies. resource exhaustion. and systemic failures.

I'm sure your studies in group think and societal reaction to adverse stimulation gives you some insight into future difficulties. I'm not so sure any equations based on these inputs can accurately predict an inflationary trigger or any consequent uncertainties. I think you need to make a stronger connection between your understanding of human reactions to conditions and how this understanding predicts the events or time frames for the coming of these stresses.

To my thinking your equation has made a big leap in assigning cause and effect. First I would think an equation is needed to explain the actions of the stock market. the banks in releasing the capital, and how this release is to be accomplished. You might do better to explain how each baby step along the way to this final disaster triggers the expected human response and how this response leads to the next step and the next, until we have the chaos you so adequately describe

I'm sure a case can be made for the importance of these areas of study in showing how the predicted responses could lead to the events but I don't think you have made it.

I know how that poet business goes, hard work, no reward.

Don't worry about being a downer with doom and gloom. We love that around here.

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Jesus Christ dude, WELCOME!

I think you got it spot on....damn you, I love you!

That felt like it was being written by my mind on a really good day. I have nothing to add really. That post was excellent.

reply to post by herrw


I think that, while seemingly valid, your conclusions are an oversimplification.

The famines which have swept Bangladesh, India and sub-Saharan Africa have not always preceded regime change.

We have also seen regime changes without hunger as the prime impetus.

We, as a species, are notoriously complex.

Well I'm also going to voice my opinion just for the hell of it.
Very interesting thread btw.
I too think there is a coming catastrophe.
No matter where you look there are fundamental problems which alone cause huge problems, but collectively are damn right scary.
You have exponential population growth,
diminishing finite resources along with rising fuel prices,
rising food prices due to extreme weather patterns,
massive money printing and debasement of currencies,
destabilising middle east as well as the rest of the world,
exponential debt.
And I've probably overlooked a bunch of other things.
These problems on their own pose as a huge problem for mankind but whats worrying is they are all happening at the same time, and in doing so they will multiply in magnitude.
For example having fuel prices rise due to destabilising in the middle east with revolution and war etc. is one thing, but to add high inflation and a rise in the costs of living, financial recession/depression into the mix, and you have one hell of a cocktail.

reply to post by herrw




Good thread!

I think my first thread was on the problem of water shortage. (It will also be a BIG problem soon.)

It really bummed me out reality has a way of doing that sometimes.

Thanks I hope you continue posting this site really needs more members like you.

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In my quest to understand the path we're on, I've always looked for the why. Why leads to how leads to what leads to where. I can see you understand. Keep looking, you're following the right arrows.

Originally posted by theclutch


My vote is that the Hunger scare from this years heat wave, is the tipping point that has not been entirely felt yet. Next years heat wave, or other food disaster should put the nail in the coffin.

I agree with you 100%....Start growing your own lettuce and greens ASAP! Pots, raised gardens, hidden spots between landscaped yards.......

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So...

No Christmas this year eh?

Why do you think this will happen in the next few days?

And, fyi, our monetary system is a complete and utter fabrication.

Originally posted by Miccey

Gutfeelings are good indicators...

REALLY?!?
If ATS has taught me anything, it's gut feelings are terrible indicators....

I'm very impressed.

I'd like to zoom in on one detail, if I may:

Next, business spikes. This will take all of a week. Banks will loosen their hold on their reserves of cash. That cash is worthless to them unless it is used, but up until this point they've been afraid to take the risk of releasing it. The cash drops into the economy like an atomic bomb,

I see this as one of many possible outcomes. I may be missing a piece of the picture. In my view, banks will be smart enough to realize the implications of releasing a flood of money, and will coordinate a much slower release. (You can boil a frog if you increase the temperature slowly.)

Your thoughts?

Wow, now this is a good thread! And yes I agree that things are much simpler when you get into the core of things. It's almost the same as for example you're trying a new recipe that involves some disgusting ingredients, there's no way you're gonna get a descent meal, right?

reply to post by herrw


probably mentioned by now - but did you mention the short, intense

middle eastern nuclear exchange that would erupt at the same time

or just following all those conflicts?

That should add significantly to the mess. And set the stage for the next

larger, exchange.

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Ammo is hard to chew when you get hungry . More non perishable foods would be a good idea .

Actually you can't boil a frog, it will jump out.


And I agree with some of the OP's points, but I think the ultimate outcome will be an America that ends up like Europe. States or regions will form their own governments.

Country folk like me will be fine, but people in big cities will be screwed.