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reply posted on 17-10-2012 @ 10:57 PM by HostileApostle
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Desperation, this is all it is.

“The quality bonus payment demo is providing incentives to more (Medicare Advantage) plans to improve care, giving more patients high-quality choices in the program," the department said in a written response to FoxNews.com. "It is consistent with previous demos."


Something that has been done before, is now all of a sudden a conspiracy when Obama does it.

There is a theme here, try to find it.


reply posted on 17-10-2012 @ 11:03 PM by elouina
reply to post by HostileApostle



If this is so innocent then why not provide Rep. Darrell Issa the information he requested months ago? I bet there will be no problem right after the election is over.

Something that affects Americans should not be "top secret" until the elections are over. I say prove this is innoculous and provide the requested information now and not later. It is being withheld for a reason.
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reply posted on 17-10-2012 @ 11:21 PM by HostileApostle
reply to post by elouina



Everything is a conspiracy with Obama.

And then the information comes out, and it always ends up to be nothing.

And then we will hear Right Wingers continue to bring up the conspiracy even though it has already been proven to be nothing.

We have seen this with Birhters, Death Panels, Obama being a Muslim, Obama being a socialist, Obama being weak on terrorists, Obama being weak on immigration, Obama raising taxes, super inflation, Fast and Furious, and now the latest one Benghazi.


reply posted on 17-10-2012 @ 11:55 PM by elouina
reply to post by sad_eyed_lady



Oh yes, I have heard about this on many different occasions. And after reading this recent update, I was like, "What? He still didn't get those papers?" Omission of facts is just as bad as lying.

We need to put the pressure on to release those papers. This is why I want this article, "out there". I am also concerned even a subpoena will fail. It is evidence against the most powerful man in our nation. And we don't have much time left.


reply posted on 18-10-2012 @ 12:18 AM by sad_eyed_lady
reply to post by HostileApostle



You should look before you leap. This is huge.

What a way to start a second-term if re-elected. How does that knife in the back feel, Obama supporters?

All bets are off. The possibility of Marital law seems to be getting bigger everyday.


reply posted on 18-10-2012 @ 12:18 AM by alternateuniverse
reply to post by elouina



Someone should have asked your question at the townhall yesterday. Let's keep this thing alive.


reply posted on 18-10-2012 @ 12:30 AM by sad_eyed_lady
reply to post by elouina



Given the results of the Fast and Furious subpoena we are in big trouble, friend. They are taking so long "working night and day" to redact information I bet.

How fast can Issa get them to testify? The clock is ticking.


reply posted on 18-10-2012 @ 12:32 AM by elouina
reply to post by sad_eyed_lady



Well, this time it made it to Fox news. So I think momentum is building. I think we need to let AARP know. Wowza are they influential!

Edited to add... I am sharing this with many AARP Facebook branches. Along with the main office.
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reply posted on 18-10-2012 @ 09:13 AM by Gridrebel
Originally posted by HostileApostle
reply to
post by elouina



Everything is a conspiracy with Obama.

*snip*

We have seen this with Birhters, Death Panels, Obama being a Muslim, Obama being a socialist, Obama being weak on terrorists, Obama being weak on immigration, Obama raising taxes, super inflation, Fast and Furious, and now the latest one Benghazi.


Uhhhhh......I think you just nailed it! Very accurately I might add. Yup, this is exactly WHY everything is a conspiracy with Obama. Maybe if he were less transparent with his crap, we would all be duped like other Obama fans.

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time". Abraham Lincoln
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reply posted on 18-10-2012 @ 11:31 AM by elouina
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Well after reading up even more I found out that AARP did some back room dealings. And stand to make more money on this. You see, AARP sells medigap insurance. And thanx to these changes in medicare even more financially strapped seniors will have to buy medigap. $40 a month doesn't seem like much to you or I, but that could erase many years of cost of living increases for seniors. $40 a month could mean the difference in homelessness or not getting some prescriptions they need. Or even paying to warm their home.

Would someone in this situation elect the very person that will be responsible for this? No! Thus why it was given a temporary Bandaid. It should have actually have started this very month! This plan offers 200 billion in savings over 10 years! Which would mean 20 billion a year. That is a lot of slack for the seniors of this country to pick up with their very limited budgets.

But what is scariest is that I don't have a clue if $40 for every Medicare Advantage plans member adds up to 20 billion a year. So there are possibly even more expenses seniors will be responsible for.
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reply posted on 18-10-2012 @ 02:27 PM by xuenchen
here's a new video about Medicare (dis)Advantage...

Oversight Productions, the media shop for the House committee on Oversight & Government Reform released a video Oct. 18 that explains the extraordinary bookeeping used to explain cuts to Medicare Advantage. The video also features Rep. Darrell E, Issa (R.-Calif.) the committee’s chairman.

New video exposes Obama’s Medicare Advantage scheme


Sounds like they're cook'n 'da books !!


Thirteen million American seniors use Medicare Advantage to get their healthcare. To partially fund Obamacare, the President has cut Medicare Advantage by more than $200 billion over the next 10 years.

To make sure seniors don't notice that Medicare Advantage is being drained to fund Obamacare, the Obama Administration decided to take extralegal action to offset 71% of the cuts this year. But what happens after November 6th? The program ends and Seniors on Medicare Advantage feel Obamacare's cuts.

"ObamaCare Guts Medicare Advantage"

That commie HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius needs to go .... Quickly !!


reply posted on 18-10-2012 @ 02:29 PM by xuenchen
Originally posted by elouina
reply to
post by Gridrebel



Well after reading up even more I found out that AARP did some back room dealings. And stand to make more money on this. You see, AARP sells medigap insurance. And thanx to these changes in medicare even more financially strapped seniors will have to buy medigap. $40 a month doesn't seem like much to you or I, but that could erase many years of cost of living increases for seniors. $40 a month could mean the difference in homelessness or not getting some prescriptions they need. Or even paying to warm their home.

Would someone in this situation elect the very person that will be responsible for this? No! Thus why it was given a temporary Bandaid. It should have actually have started this very month! This plan offers 200 billion in savings over 10 years! Which would mean 20 billion a year. That is a lot of slack for the seniors of this country to pick up with their very limited budgets.

But what is scariest is that I don't have a clue if $40 for every Medicare Advantage plans member adds up to 20 billion a year. So there are possibly even more expenses seniors will be responsible for.
edit on 18-10-2012 by elouina because: (no reason given)


Here is a recent related thread about AARP.....

AARP Makes $2.8 Billion Off Of ObamaCare
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