HOLY COW! Findings in Quantum Biology Proves Existence of IMMATERIAL SOUL!

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posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 12:47 PM
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So modern physics tells us that the world is an illusion (Zeilinger, Maldacena, Whitworth et al), and it depends on quantum measurement.

Well it turns out a quantum biologist named Stuart Kauffman has made progress on quantum neuroscience that suggests that the mind exists at a "poised realm" (at the threshold between classical and quantum) and is what collapses (measures) the brain states.

In other words, an immaterial non-local mind, measures and collapses a material brain!





posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 01:05 PM
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What exactly is a quantum biologist?

Here is a an article from Nature on quantum biology.

The OP is just a YouTube video, id rather see a paper on it...
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posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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So OP do you possess enough knowledge in this particular area to further explain this theory to me, or did you just find it fascinating and so posted it?

I hope it is the former, not the latter, as I would like a better understanding of the subject matter.

I am going to go ahead and state what I think this means in the hopes that you or another member will be able to clarify some points for me.

1. so in effect what is being said is that, a human basically has a brain because their "soul" is collapsing the quantum spin rotation of potentials, into what we see manifested as physical form, because physical form is required to interact with actual space time as we perceive it to be?

2. We are actually interacting with space time at a fundamental level, and thus, our "feeling" an object occurs instantaneously, at the nerve, but must travel from the brain to the nerve to be felt, as the brain is the catalyst that results from our "feeling" and the necessity of having to have a brain to manifest the soul in a way that can interact with space time as we perceive it?

I know that is alot to rap your head around, but I am just curious if I am understanding this correctly or not.
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posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 01:33 PM
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If you have ever astral traveled even for seconds or minutes then you would know that these guys are getting close to the knowledge our ancients had.

The universe how we perceive from our point of view (earth
), is us on the smallest scale if you were to use a microscope, were not so small after all.



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by boncho
What exactly is a quantum biologist?

Here is a an article from Nature on quantum biology.

The OP is just a YouTube video, id rather see a paper on it...
edit on 17-10-2012 by boncho because: (no reason given)


en.wikipedia.org...
www.nature.com...



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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oh how shocking! i just might have a heart attack







or not lmao
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posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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Still waiting for the proof of existence of these so-called "immaterial souls"...



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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It's based on this:


At least when combined with this result: physicsworld.com...

If you put them together it necessitates that the mind precedes the brain.



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by john_bmth
Still waiting for the proof of existence of these so-called "immaterial souls"...


^
^
There's your proof.



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Here's a pdf. It's a compilation of several blog entries. I haven't read it yet but I believe it will serve as a general outline of Dr. Kauffman's theory.

www.stuartkauffman.com...



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by Ajax84

Originally posted by john_bmth
Still waiting for the proof of existence of these so-called "immaterial souls"...


^
^
There's your proof.

Well, where is it? You posted a YouTube video, that's it. That's not proof.



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by Ajax84

Originally posted by boncho
What exactly is a quantum biologist?

Here is a an article from Nature on quantum biology.

The OP is just a YouTube video, id rather see a paper on it...
edit on 17-10-2012 by boncho because: (no reason given)


en.wikipedia.org...
www.nature.com...


You realize you just linked the article I linked myself in my own post right? So far it's just an idea (quantum biology)... The OP suggests there is proof of souls, but there is none. When a paper gets published suggesting we have proof of our souls, I'm all ears (or eyes) to go over the information.

Until then, some random YouTube splicing with a voice over is not going to cut it.



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by boncho

Originally posted by Ajax84

Originally posted by boncho
What exactly is a quantum biologist?

Here is a an article from Nature on quantum biology.

The OP is just a YouTube video, id rather see a paper on it...
edit on 17-10-2012 by boncho because: (no reason given)


en.wikipedia.org...
www.nature.com...


You realize you just linked the article I linked myself in my own post right? So far it's just an idea (quantum biology)... The OP suggests there is proof of souls, but there is none. When a paper gets published suggesting we have proof of our souls, I'm all ears (or eyes) to go over the information.

Until then, some random YouTube splicing with a voice over is not going to cut it.


Just draw the conclusion yourself. We know the world is an illusion, we know that the best correlate of consciousness is quantum (Gamma synchrony) and we know that quantum effects are being found at the threshold of consciousness. (Well maybe this one isn't proven 100% yet, but Zeilinger sounded pretty convinced)

Just put two and two together from those. Even if its not spelled out, it's pretty obvious.



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by Ajax84
Just draw the conclusion yourself. We know the world is an illusion, we know that the best correlate of consciousness is quantum (Gamma synchrony) and we know that quantum effects are being found at the threshold of consciousness. (Well maybe this one isn't proven 100% yet, but Zeilinger sounded pretty convinced)

Just put two and two together from those. Even if its not spelled out, it's pretty obvious.


Who is we?

I find myself wondering why this thread is hanging out in the Science and Technology forum instead of in the Grey Area forum.



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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I think you might be interested in this. I've not been able to put it down!

Quantum Physics...and the Human Soul

It's taken me awhile to get through, but only because I keep getting my mind blown. The same concepts (written earlier) can also be found in Michael Talbot's The Holographic Universe.

****Caution: Both books will blow the mind and/or rock ones face off. Proceed at your own risk. O.O



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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I don't understand what you mean by this.
"In other words, an immaterial non-local mind, measures and collapses a material brain!"
Can you explain?



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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There are not a lot of people in this realm at the moment, however, it's been an interest of mine. Your assertions are more or less accurate to the theory. In reality it is almost identical to the more abstract forms of tibetan buddhist theories about the flows of energy around the self and soul. If you're interested I can dig up my reference material on that as well.

Further, as Crowley says, any sufficiently advanced form of science is indistinguishable from religion (and vice versa).

We are just now finally starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel where the two "quantum paths" to the same goal collapse onto each other.

Can't wait to see some eventual scientific papers put out, assuming he doesn't "disappear".
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posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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I'm pretty sure music sums this up best:

Infinity - The Sum of All Things Zero



On our faces: A Map of the World - Theory of Everything (TOE)



Quantum physics explanation for smell gains traction

Source

Resource








You could smell it,
So you left me on my own
To complete the mission
Now I'm leaving it all behind

I'm going hunting
I'm the hunter
I'm the hunter
I'm the hunter

You just didn't know me,

So what I'm saying is you should...
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posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 02:26 PM
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He's referring to Wave Function Collapse, a concept in Quantum Physics in which all possibilities exist all together, smeared out over time. It's human conciousness that "collapses" all of those possibilities into one singular thing, event, or reality.

...basically, the brain does not create conciousness. Conciousness creates the brain.
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posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 02:26 PM
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To be more thorough, as I have been writing on this myself...

We are all h-bits (human-info-bits).

All of existence and time etc sums to zero though things go in and out of existence. Things go in and out of existence on a subatomic level all the time, this is called quantum foam.

Our lives, our experiences, are all small flits into existence from some other phase of existence (or non-existence).

We experience it as whatever we are for those brief moments (or years).

Then we "die" and return back to our original self.

It's scientific reincarnation.





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