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Originally posted by PeterCottonTail
reply to post by Dustytoad
I'm typing on my phone, and can't describe the significance of this if its not sinking in yet. The theories behind this strategy are mind bending. Look up winston shrout or hjr 192. Its not a quick answer, more like a dive off into the deep end. If you're a bookworm, this type of stuff is for you.
Originally posted by phantomjack
Don't get your hopes up.
The Fed is invincible.
Nothing bad will ever happen to the Fed.
Besides, all the Fed needs to do is print more money to pay down the lien.
Right?
Originally posted by PeterCottonTail
reply to post by Dustytoad
The fed is the debtor. The irs gov and treasury are creditors. Right now its reversed, the fed has the whole country liened.
YOU are security for our debt. Our birth certificate was printed on bond paper, it is a security for the endless printing of money. We are collateral, get it.
If the fed became the debtor i can only imagine...
Dare i say a de jure government, a republic for which it stands where all men are created equal?
Originally posted by Dustytoad
reply to post by Dustytoad
So here is this. And it is for [14,300,000,000,000-]
DOES this mean it's a negative lien? Is that minus sign there on purpose? If so this all makes sense, and it isn't that great for us..
Debtor Information for File Number: 0000000181425776
Name
1)THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
2)E PLURIBUS UNUM THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
3)U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE FINANCE AND ACCOUNTING SERVICES
4)COMPTROLLER OF MARYLAND
Secured Party Information for File Number: 0000000181425776
Name
1)THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
(Assignor)
2)NORTH AMERICAN WATER AND POWER ALLIANCE
(Assignor)
3)U.S. TREASURY DEPARTMENT INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE (IRS)
(Assignor)
4)THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (OBLIGOR)
(Assignor)
5)U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE
6)THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM (OBLIGEE)
(Assignor)
7)[-SEAL OF THE OFFICE SECRETARY OF STATE-]
(Assignor)
8)HAMED GHOROUNDIDELCHEH
(Assignor)
9)LORETTA E. KNIGHT
(Assignor)
10)CIRCUIT COURT FOR MONT. COUNTY -
11)FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
(Assignee)
Originally posted by Dustytoad
Originally posted by PeterCottonTail
reply to post by Dustytoad
I'm typing on my phone, and can't describe the significance of this if its not sinking in yet. The theories behind this strategy are mind bending. Look up winston shrout or hjr 192. Its not a quick answer, more like a dive off into the deep end. If you're a bookworm, this type of stuff is for you.
It's your thread..
Make it happen.
Wait till you have a computer to write on before trying to make a thread.. I went through everything you offered, and you don't seem to understand the form you are looking at, and neither do I. The other people who commented on the UCC-1 filing do not understand it either. They are just guessing at what it means..
Saying:
"It's all really complicated and I don't understand it, but it's DEEP, and if you don't get it yet I have nothing else to say."
IS NOT Going to help you on ATS.edit on 10/17/2012 by Dustytoad because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Originally posted by Dustytoad
reply to post by Dustytoad
So here is this. And it is for [14,300,000,000,000-]
DOES this mean it's a negative lien? Is that minus sign there on purpose? If so this all makes sense, and it isn't that great for us..
Debtor Information for File Number: 0000000181425776
Name
1)THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
2)E PLURIBUS UNUM THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
3)U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE FINANCE AND ACCOUNTING SERVICES
4)COMPTROLLER OF MARYLAND
Secured Party Information for File Number: 0000000181425776
Name
1)THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
(Assignor)
2)NORTH AMERICAN WATER AND POWER ALLIANCE
(Assignor)
3)U.S. TREASURY DEPARTMENT INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE (IRS)
(Assignor)
4)THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (OBLIGOR)
(Assignor)
5)U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE
6)THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM (OBLIGEE)
(Assignor)
7)[-SEAL OF THE OFFICE SECRETARY OF STATE-]
(Assignor)
8)HAMED GHOROUNDIDELCHEH
(Assignor)
9)LORETTA E. KNIGHT
(Assignor)
10)CIRCUIT COURT FOR MONT. COUNTY -
11)FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
(Assignee)
Now that you've clarified a bit better what this IS about and not the OP suggestion of 'foreclosure' between one Federal entity and another. That's quite a trick..I mean, how does Uncle sue himself to take from himself? Can't be done..although seeing THIS government try with it's usual split personality issues would be a show to pay tickets to see if it ever played out.
@ General thread
for background here because the Fed IS so BADLY miunderstood (They work hard at keeping it that way I think).... It's Chairman is selected by the U.S. President and confirmed by the U.S. Senate. It's regional heads are likewise, confirmed by the U.S. Senate.
It's not a Federal Agency only in so far as it doesn't have the ccountability or means to force it to answer what the public would like to know. They exist and play in the same "limbo" region the Central Intelligence Agency does and was allowed to exploit for themselves....as the Fed does now....well into the 1970's. It took the Vietnam War and the Church/Pike Committees to reign in the CIA from their ideas of "Super-Agency" status.
I'm not sure what it wll take for the FED, if it can be done at all. I cab say this will go absolutely nowhere though. It's as logical as the Montana Freeman throwing liens on damn near every piece of property in their whole county, incuding the Courthouse itself by the time they were done, as I recall it. VERY annoying things to handle through the courts and get RID of.....but ultimately nothing but a big annoyance.
Just my two cents...and we'll never crack the fed with velvet gloves like this...IF UCC filing was even capable of going the distance to this 'agency', which it's definitely not. The first court room to see it should bounce it right on down the street, IMO.
Back to the drawing boards.......
Originally posted by ThoughtIsMadness
reply to post by RationalDespair
Maybe you wanna count the zeros again in the OP
Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
reply to post by PeterCottonTail
My goodness, consult wikipedia or something before you create threads like this.
That number is NOT accurate and the site does not sound credible either.
On January 1, 2013, the world will return to a gold standard. This isn’t guesswork. Banks in major economies across the globe have already adopted the rules. In anticipation, central banks have been buying gold in large quantities. Turkey added 3.9 million ounces in the last year. Mexico has purchased 3.2 million ounces. Russia’s reserves stand at 29.2 million ounces — the highest in 20 years.