Originally posted by dontreally
Is there place for those who oppose a gays right to marriage, without being vilified and treated as the most immoral creature to ever walk the earth?
Can someone not still 'like gays' as individuals, but disapprove of their lifestyle choice, without being all around condemned as unworthy?
edit on 17-10-2012 by dontreally because: (no reason given)
Honestly, is kind of tiring reading this stuff.
The irony of a person complaining about being villified whilst villifying and generalising against everyone else ... This isn't the first Christian
thread where a person is posting 'I'm sick of being called a bigot' etc ... which completely fails to acknowledge that not every gay person they
know has called them a bigot etc ...
People have to tolerate
your view. they do not have to accept it or ruffle the hair behind your ears. If a person thinks that religion is
immoral and you're hideously mislead into evil ... how do you express that without sounding offensive towards you? 'I hate your beliefs, I don't
hate you, here is a cookie?' I have never said the word bigot on ATS applying to another poster. Yet any time gay rights comes up I do
told that I'm intolerant because I don't ruffle behind the ears of the person saying that it's a sin or not natural or whatever ...
I honestly believe someitmes the 'I hate X not you' meme is excellent for implying that you're morally superior and the person across from you
isn't. I tolerate your opinion, I don't agree with it. I'm not looking to legislate against your opinion and that's one of the biggest signs of
respect I can give you. You persons are
looking to legislate against me, you do
think I'm a sinner / abberation against nature ... I
personally think religion is a comfort blanket perversion of human thought for example ... that doesn't make me intolerant, that's just my opinion.
Bigotry is literally someone who is completely intolerant of other people's ideas and creeds. In some ways trying to claim I'm a bigot for
disagreeing with you is in fact a better use of the word to apply to the other person. My desire of gay rights oddly doesn't 'not tolerate' your
beliefs! Your desire to prevent two people being married does mean you don't tolerate my belief that I want to be married. Tolerate and is 'let it
I'm actually not calling you a bigot exactly here. I'm making a point. The word is misused a lot. Would you call someone that doesn't tolerate
paedophilles wanting their unions legalised? Would you tolerate me if I said, black people need to sit away from white people? Bigots don't tolerate
other ideas or creeds. People certainly don't tolerate some
ideas and creeds.
I guess my questions here are ...
1. How do I express my opinion with out Christians accusing me of being a 'bigot' or offending their feelings and making them feel 'intolerant'?
I'm sick of being told the mere existence of my opinions offends a persons relgion. If people want me to tolerate being an 'abberation' then they
have to tolerate the fact I think their beliefs are false. And I do tolerate it every single day of my life. How am I not tolerating it?
2. I honestly think people are taking this bigot word and trying to use it sometimes like a double speak defense shield; claiming special protection
against society's politeness when anyone tells them they're wrong at times. Religious people especially are using it like a special tool to 'turn
gay rhetoric back on itself!' I imagine.
Can't we just accept that you think I'm an abberation, I think you're utterly wrong, and tolerate that? I'm not looking to get rid of you; that is
tolerance a lot of the time.