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Quiet please....The ultra conservative, fundamentalist religious racist bigot is trying to speak!

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posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 08:36 AM
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will the real archie bunker please stand up.
please stand up.
please stand up!




posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 08:40 AM
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You aren't making sense. You aren't apposed to gay relationships or gays being able to share benefits but you Are opposed to them being married?!?!?! That makes no sense. What do you think a family is??
Who gives a crap if they want to get married. How does this harm you or anyone you know?



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 08:41 AM
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Better to be attacked for your beliefs, than slinking into the dark and hiding like a scared animal. You need to be steadfast and you don't have to provoke conflict. You can quietly hold your beliefs and defend them in a civilized way, when they are challenged. Fear destroys everything good and noble; control your fear. The universe always rewards courage. Respect your adversaries and everyone but start by respecting yourself. This requires admission of who you really are and of course, it is a mix of strengths and weaknesses. Don't bluff, be real and do enough homework to be able to intelligently defend your position. No profanity, no put downs of your adversary's character and no lying. If you believe it then use you intellect to defend it. This is the stuff of growing up and getting straight.



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 08:50 AM
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reply to post by scarybear
 


I too have a point of view that let's say isn't the left-wing liberalism that is oh so trendy nowadays. And yes, I do get my share of insults... I do want to see more people ellaborate on the answers here.

What is with "oh-so-trendy"?

I notice that's one of the fave putdowns; "Oh, you're just going along with what's cool, to fit in, but it's still stupid."

Left-wing liberalism is not "oh-so-trendy". It's humane, it's been around since...um, wait.....FOR EV ER.
I wish members would take to heart things like Pinke has to say, who put it perfectly above.

Being disrespectful and then whining about being disrespected is hardly productive conversation. I know it's difficult; someone pointed out that Google is "tailored" (yes, they keep track of keywords and interests that you feed them regularly). There is an easy fix for that....

type the OPPOSITE point of view into the search engine. ACTIVELY seek out sites and sources that promote the opposite point of view. It's a great trick. I've learned a ton about how different groups think by deliberately looking at websites they go to.

Another trick: do a search for "arguments against.......(your issue here)". That way you see how the internet at large fights or promotes the same points you are trying to fight on ATS.

Please, for all of our sakes, STOP telling people they are just being "trendy" when they happen to agree with what others say about things. Try to understand how much they know about their topic, whether they have a balanced and thoughtful point of view, or have been indoctrinated by extremists...if the latter, it's appropriate to bring to their attention that there are other, more balanced points of view which they might not have seen or heard about.

How do you expect people to want to elaborate when you already dismissed them as behaving "oh-so-trendy"? And then you seem flabbergasted that you get insults?

Really?

I was called out the other day for being snide while I had in the very same thread told someone I hoped they weren't being snide. Sarcasm is one of many services I offer, though, and snide comes out first when I feel attacked.

I noticed it, and owned up to it. Easy? No. Necessary? Yes. Does it mean I'll be even MORE careful in the future? Yep. Even though now, in the year and a half I've been here, I've tried to be careful, sometimes I get rattled and slip back into snideness. My bad.

We're supposed to be helping each other grow here. I thought. Maybe not.



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by Koros
 


My views against gay marriage are deeply rooted in the family. That would be how the state treats the family, or in many cases, enjoys playing the role of breaking it apart.

I am not opposed to gay people having relationships, or sharing the same health coverage or insurance for example.

Hope that helps.


Just curious -- what is your feeling on divorce? Specifically, heterosexual divorce? Do you think it should be illegal? Nothing breaks apart a family more than divorce, no? Do you believe that once a couple marries, they should never be allowed to divorce/split up, no matter the reason (especially if there's children)?



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
I oppose gay marriage.


Please clarify. Do you oppose same sex civil unions as well? If so, how do you justify denying constitutional rights (the right to pursue happiness and civil rights) to a particular segment of the population based upon your own set of moral values.


I oppose socialism and communism.


As do the majority of Americans regardless of political party affiliation. Do you also oppose Fascism as well?


I oppose the Occupy movement.


What in your opinion does the Occupy Movement stand for?


I oppose the policies of Barack Obama.


Specifically, which policies do you oppose? Domestic? Foreign? Economic? Civil? Did you oppose ending the war in Iraq? Did you oppose the aggressive pursuit of Osama Bin Laden and his execution?

Do you oppose these policies as well?

~ Building the first truly 21st century military and showing wisdom in how we deploy it.
~ Marshalling a global effort to secure, destroy, and stop the spread of weapons of mass destruction.
~ Rebuild and construct the alliances and partnerships necessary to meet common challenges and confront common threats, including global warming.
~ Investing in our common humanity through foreign aid and supporting the "pillars of a sustainable democracy – a strong legislature, an independent judiciary, the rule of law, a vibrant civil society, a free press, and an honest police force."

If you had a dollar for everytime someone told you that you didn't know what the hell you're talking about, would you be a billionaire?



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 09:31 AM
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Are these the lyrics to a really bad song? :-)



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by Elostone
 


Why, its ok to bring up multiple threads about this subject. But if any one has a dissenting view it is a rant?

2nd


Just ignore the self appointed wannabe mods.While I disagree with your viewpoint on gay marriage,my philosophy being if it doesn't harm others then what's the problem?,however you raise some important points that are pertinent to our times and like you I would also fight to the death for your right to express your opinion.



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
I oppose gay marriage.

But if I had a dollar for everyone that told me I was a homophobic bigot I would be rich.

I oppose socialism and communism.

But if I had a dollar for every time I was called a religious fundamentalist neoconservative I would be a millionaire.

I oppose the Occupy movement.

But if I had a dollar for every time I was told that I hated freedom and I am an ignorant sheeple I would be a billionaire.

I oppose the policies of Barack Obama.

But, if I had a dollar for every time I've been called a racist I would have enough money to pay off the national debt.

When in reality. I would rather fight, take a bullet and die for your right to say so. Because in reality, if I have to continue to put up with this type of treatment, then life is probably not worth living anyways.



If I had a buck for every time I ran into someone who feels the exact same way you during the past 4 years or so I'd have about $30.

You oppose gay marriage but do you consider the many other Americans who are in favor of it because they are gay or know someone who is and thinks they have a right to be happy?

Do you think your opinion should reign supreme or do you think since there IS A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION out there we should maybe explore options or compromise?

Ditto for the rest. When you first acknowledge there are different opinion out there and yours is not the only one that is when you start making progress in a direction that might just suit you both.



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
When in reality. I would rather fight, take a bullet and die for your right to say so. Because in reality, if I have to continue to put up with this type of treatment, then life is probably not worth living anyways.


Actually, the reality is that you would only fight for someone elses rights as long as they aren't gay, aren't Liberal and conforms to your moral standards.

Would you say that's more of an accurate statement?

How much money would you have if you had a dollar for each time you stood up for someone elses rights that you didn't morally agree with?



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
I oppose gay marriage.

But if I had a dollar for everyone that told me I was a homophobic bigot I would be rich.

I oppose socialism and communism.

But if I had a dollar for every time I was called a religious fundamentalist neoconservative I would be a millionaire.

I oppose the Occupy movement.

But if I had a dollar for every time I was told that I hated freedom and I am an ignorant sheeple I would be a billionaire.

I oppose the policies of Barack Obama.

But, if I had a dollar for every time I've been called a racist I would have enough money to pay off the national debt.

When in reality. I would rather fight, take a bullet and die for your right to say so. Because in reality, if I have to continue to put up with this type of treatment, then life is probably not worth living anyways.


Oh so that is how "Willard the Rat" Romney got his millions!



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 10:54 AM
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I am not opposed to gay people having relationships, or sharing the same health coverage or insurance for example.



That's essentially marriage.
No, you're not a bigot, you just have a hard time thinking properly.
And I'm not attacking your right to an opinion, I'm pointing out that the inevitable result of ignorant opinions is ridicule.

Carry on, my friend. It's not like critical thinking was ever highly valued by this country. They would rather have intelligent monkeys.

edit on 17-10-2012 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by Rastus3663



When in reality. I would rather fight, take a bullet and die for your right to say so. Because in reality, if I have to continue to put up with this type of treatment, then life is probably not worth living anyways.


Self serving imaginary bigoted bullets? "Cause if you had spent any time in the line, you'd know some of the best medics are gay....

It is my believe that anyone that keeps my buddies alive can marry anyone they want.


Yeah right, let me know when you guys are pushing these new rules for marriage on Muslims.



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by PvtHudson

Originally posted by Rastus3663



When in reality. I would rather fight, take a bullet and die for your right to say so. Because in reality, if I have to continue to put up with this type of treatment, then life is probably not worth living anyways.


Self serving imaginary bigoted bullets? "Cause if you had spent any time in the line, you'd know some of the best medics are gay....

It is my believe that anyone that keeps my buddies alive can marry anyone they want.


Yeah right, let me know when you guys are pushing these new rules for marriage on Muslims.


If I had a dollar for every time I read a smug un-informed comment on ATS….

When I say uninformed the reason is this; you are confused about the difference between gay marriage and same sex civil unions. I've never come across anyone who believes that allowing gay marriage should be forced upon any religious organization. I think most would agree that freedom of religion is not in question with regards to Gay rights. Most are only seeking the right of same sex partners to enter into a legal civil union which would grant them the same rights as any other citizen of the United States.



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
Anyways, thats my view on gay marriage and if you dont like it fine. Just agree to disagree.

This thread is not really about that issue specifically.

It is more about the extremely left leaning folks on ATS who call you names and try to belittle you for having a dissenting point of view that doesn't agree with their point of view.

And while they preach about tolerance and equality.

They are some of the most intolerant, divided group I have ever come across.

The ultra conservative, fundamentalist religious racist bigot is done talking now, you can now resume your normal everyday activities.
edit on 17-10-2012 by thehoneycomb because: (no reason given)


You're not the only one who feels this way.

This is why I think tolerance is a sham. Those who preach it don't practice it and don't understand true tolerance. What they are really playing are games of double standards and special privilege.

Telling somebody to shut up because they have dissenting views is just not tolerance.



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by Komonazmuk
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oh wow, pretty close to a billion.


You can come down off that cross you pinned yourself to now.
edit on 17-10-2012 by Komonazmuk because: (no reason given)


This is the tread where hyperbole is going to be an issue?



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by Xzorter
It is the re-defining of what a "marriage" is, and how the state recognizes one that is the issue with most conservatives.
Get married, to whom ever you love, but the lines have been re-defined, so what if you "love" an under age person, who is to say you can't marry whoever you love?
You see how the "communities" desire to alter what marriage is ,,can slip into a grossly perverted "right", simply because you "love"?
And who is to say I cant "marry" the one I love?Whoever or whatever it is. a relative, an animal,
It is simply a bad "immoral" policy to adopt a re-definition of that sacred communion and try and legitimize it.
In my gracious and humble opinion.,


I run into that. Get called names or whatever because of my faith and stance on issues.
Intolerant of my beliefs they are. Intolerant bullies. Christianphobes.

But things are unfolding the way they are supposed to. My high school youth pastor in 1977 told me that Christians would soon be persecuted in this country. I thought he'd gone off the edge. Crazy. Insane. Nutso.

Darned if he wasn't right.



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by Koros
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On most of those, I can see where your stance inspired inaccurate representations of you as a person. However, I am curious, how can one oppose same-sex marriage and not be a homophobe or bigot?

I'm not trying to start a fight here. I honestly want to know how those are reconciled.


I love how the first few reply proves the ops point.

Since you can't seem to view an opposing oppinion to your own as anything other than negative let me explain why I am opposed to Gay Marriage.

Its also a huge miss by the gay right, they had an oppurtunity to fight for real freedom but instead got tied up in the Emotional me too attitude.

Marriage is a perfect example of the state overstepping its legal bounds via separation of church and state, Marriage has religious connotations and the state stepping into regulate it violates separation of church from the state.

What should of been argued was that the state has no power to regulate marriage, Atheist, Agnostics and secularist missed the boat on this one as well. They should be arguing that Marriage is religious and thus they should all want Civil Unions for TAX and Benefit purposes, Marriage should have none as its a religious institution.

IF you want tax and benefits it should be Civil Unions, if you want marriage it should be Go to the Church.

This solves many problems with Gay Marriage, as Many religions are excepting of Gay Marriage, so Gays would get their "marriage"

And if you want your Benefits you go to the State who gives out tax perks and such.

Really in the end who is the State to tell you who you can "marry" its much akin to when inter-racial marriages where not allowed.

Again the problem comes from the states Violation of the Separation of church and state, which harkens back to a time with the country as a whole was much more "Religious" Marriage being in the state purview is a throw back to that era.

THAT is what the Gay Rights movement should of targeted, along with Agnostics, Atheist, and Secular people. Instead they let it become emotional and started screaming ME TOO, instead of looking at it it logically and fighting for the rights of all.



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 01:38 PM
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Who is persecuting you? Who is denying your fundamental right to worship as you see fit?

Why do so many Christians feel as though they are being persecuted when they are prevented from imposing their moral convictions upon non-believers?

Isn't it more accurate to say that non-believers are being persecuted by Christians imposing their moral standards upon them? Christians who would deny certain segemnts of the population fundamental Constitutional rights based upon their own beliefs are the ones commiting the persecution.

Again, no one is saying that gay people should be allowed to marry in a Church. No one is saying that Church doctrine needs to change to accomadate the changing attitudes in the US regarding same sex civil unions. No one is persecuting you.....



posted on Oct, 17 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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If i had a dollar for every time i clicked on a thread that i couldn't be ersed posting in, i would have around 23 billion dollars..



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