People want to argue over the NWO?

reply to post by Hefficide


I always enjoy reading your posts. Very level headed and fair, I have never seen you talk down to anyone, I admire that. I have also never noticed the borders before.

Anyway, on topic, I don't think the NWO could ever function for very long, at least the way I've always heard people explain it, that we would all be slaves basically to a very, very few people. IMO, people would rise up against this very quickly, even if they managed to disarm all of us, because living a life like that wouldn't be a life at all.

reply to post by Leonidas


Do a search on Agenda 21 . That is the guide lines for the United Nations ? NWO governmental goals . Their sort of Socialism takes all rights away from you . There is also a 80 to 95 % population reduction as their goal and is hinted at in Agenda 21 .
If you like to be enslaved by the Banking Elite you will love it . If it was so good they would not be trying to slip it over our heads .

Since it's tabled, why search and possibly find propaganda? Here is a link directly to Agenda 21 - directly. It's downloadable as well.

~Heff

Originally posted by Leonidas
Why would a NWO have to be a negative thing?

How many of you really believe the Current World Order is working?

What would a POSITIVE NWO look like?

Great questions.

It seems to me that there is a lot of FEAR and assumptions as to how it would be. To the point that it's often difficult to have a discussion on the topic.

Originally posted by Sublimecraft
No constructive criticism for me....from any of you? Slayer?, Tenth?, Heff?, Neo?, Sonny?, Bugs?

I didn't reply to you directly for many reasons but chief among them was that you had the floor and were able to post as you please your point of view. Sometimes, I'll write a thread and let the contributors dictate which way the thread heads.

No need for constructive criticism. I just appreciate your participation

reply to post by Hefficide


I do not pay attention to borders & numbers, I want your mind - but I wanted to get your attention & I know that one works.

"Your", in this instance is the group, not the individual. In saying that, you Heff, bounced straight past my comment and continued your discussion with Tenth. Initially it did not bother me in the slightest after all this is a forum & you were having a particular discussion, you'll get back to me (or Slayer or someone....maybe) but as the hours progressed and the banter continued I started to think I had written something so stupid it was simply not worth "your" effort.

There was a definite discussion going on amongst you all - sure the replies were one-on-one, but consensus and overlap of ideas were apparent.

If you only knew who many times, once again, that I edited and re-edited that post you would laugh hard - you copped the biggest mention a few times simply because I know you the most out of all 6 and you are a straight shooter, well to me you are anyway.

No, anger is not the right emotion, embarrassment coupled with envy and disappointment would be more accurate - I wanted in on the conversation and that was not forthcoming so I left.

My mistake, it seems, was replying to Slayer directly, instead of replying to the thread - noted for future reference. It was his thread and his particular comment that drew me in but the theme of my reply was open for all - but I see your point.

Look, you and I are not too dissimilar - in many ways, right down to your % comment actually. I spend 4 weeks at a time a sea and the site has become my home. I have read so much of what the 6 of you write (and have written) that you have become my family - each individual writing style paints a clear picture for me:
Slayer with his lazer guns
You with your philosophic banter
Neo keeping it real
Tenth the quintessential Mod
Bezz because everything is a piss take
Sonny because of his intellect

(Sonny and Neo are the only 2 I have not directly conversed with but I have read much of their stuff via their profile pages)

I took it personally when I did not get a response - this is the downside of non face-to-face discussions.

Next time I'll pull out a can of harden the hell up - and drink it in full measure.

Thanks for the reply mate its appreciated.
(laugh - count how many times you wrote the word "border" in your reply to me - I know your achilles heel )
hehehe

Originally posted by gladtobehere
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Well, technically, the US is a "representative" Republic. [/quoet]

No it isn't .

It is a representative democracy, and a republic.

The UK is also a representative democracy, and a constitutional monarchy.

In the list all of the states are republics, because these days a republic essentially means nothing more than "not a monarchy" - the latin root of the word is interesting, but that is all.

the presence or otherwise of apaprently "hereditary" "elected" heads of state may indicate a transition from a republic to an elected monarchy or simlar - or it may indicate a great deal of popularity for a particular family - cf the Ghandi's in India.

We are a nation based on laws. Problem is that the laws are full of crap.

Any legitimate law has to be Constitutional, many are not but they are still enforced often because they are never challenged.

And when laws are challenged, its hit or miss. Recently, Obama care was upheld. Under Bush, we had Kelo v. City of New London. Look into the Supreme Court's past and the BS of it becomes all too evident: Dred Scott v. Sandford

so arguably the worst decision ever by the SCOTUSA, made OVER 150 YEARS AGO, proves that US law now is rubbish??

reply to post by SLAYER69


Re-public, where it's leaders are elected for the people, by the people (the public). Public debate is absOlutetly necessary for any truth to be known, exposed for what it is in any 'community' for what is the reason to 'hide' anything less there be something to hide. Reason, rationale, logic, sapience, sentience, common sense rules the day if given that chance. No 'party' applies as it ensures division and 'control' by those with funds to do so as too many human beings are willing to be paid off to do the will of those who seldom have their better interest in mind.

It, (((((leadership))))), starts at the grass roots level, from the community,>to the state,>to the federal (defense only) whereas the states can manage themselves more effiicienty and effectively with true accountablility to be rendered and acountable 'for' at the local level.....on up; not the other way around. All so-called sovereign countries need to print their own currencies First, backed by a real assets such as gold and silver. Long topics, spoken of in prior threads though if a country has been defrauded of it's 'assets' via collusionistic conspiratorial fraud.....as it IS.....they are to be recovered with a simple audit. Follow the money trail, as the fiat money is the root to most evil and control of most human subjects of that system.

Thanks for your contributions Slayer.
It matters!, as you [should] know.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Yeh well there are really no true republics , you forgot the republic of Ireland !

Anyways meritocracy , is that not the most insane idea ever !

ever heard the term "evil genius " yeh well lets see now , most of the world leaders today would score quite highly in terms of intelligence , but are complete psychopaths !

we only seem to have government because a healthy percentage of the population dont or cant seem to follow universal laws and lack morals !

Just because.

Screw the NWO its already here fool lol. Consider US exports... Consider the US bloated stupid financial system and its methods. Dumb right? If I was a foreign company I would band with errbody and stomp out the bully and deal with our losses afterward

reply to post by SLAYER69


Ever the diplomat - once again.

Thank-you my friend, I genuinely appreciate your kind words.

Originally posted by Sublimecraft

As I sit here waiting for the golden border top dogs of ATS to tell me that my post is ridiculous, insane, stupid, nonsense, bunk, immature, pathetic, missing the point, uneducated or any other terms that would ordinarily offend me, it suddenly dawned on me that NO response is an even bigger slap in the face.

I feel like Igor, the stupid Aussie, whom has busted in on the scientists at work.

No constructive criticism for me....from any of you? Slayer?, Tenth?, Heff?, Neo?, Sonny?, Bugs?

To say I am disappointed & offended is an understatement - because I hold each of the 6 of you in such high regard for your wisdom (and humor) across the forums.

HA....Dear Mr Sublime, with all respect...you think and assume to much. If you only knew how many times I wished that you would add reply on a comment I made.. Thinking about the countless nights without sleep, pondering how to formulate words that would incite you.) Just kiddin'....

I think...(yes, me also think too much)...there is no need for you to seek approval or to compare yourself with the "golden border boys". In the short time you are member you have gained respect and appreciation for your contribution on ATS from me ....and many others I am sure.

Just compare your numbers with mine... I feel stupid. But that doesn't matter because I am not in it for the recognition, stars, flags, to be liked or any other...[blanc]. I simply enjoy reading stuff people like you, Huff, Slayer,Phage and all the other ATS members have to say/ share.....no matter how stupid or significant.

There are no prizes, freebees, girls or money to win..... learning something new about subjects that interest me is what make me visit ATS...almost each day.

But before a MOD does a NWO on me I would like you to know that what you have to say about the NWO makes sense...

reply to post by zatara


Oh..thank-you Zatara and let me apologise for not replying to your post(s) (you have now sent me on a mission to find where?)

Anyway, OT:

The NWO is really the crux of this website I believe - its concept is all encompassing and many forums herein do indeed touch on the subject.

I do not believe in coincidences - and the NWO has been in the making for a very long time and archaeology seems to me to show certain attempts at bringing this about.

It is not a bad thing and I do believe it is inevitable and necessary if we are to jump to the next stage as a type 1 civilization - however I fear that it is being controlled by those whom to do not have our (the masses) best interests at heart and this needs to be nipped in the bud sooner rather than later.

Love, giving and truth is the way - hate, taking and lies will only lead to our destruction.

"Proceed with caution" - slow and stead will win the race, as long as we stick together and drop the hate.

reply to post by Hefficide


What is your take on Agenda 21 otherwise known as Sustainable Development ?

reply to post by SimonPeter


the alternative to sustainable development is either unsustainable development, or no development at all.

why would you want either of those?

Originally posted by Bluemoonsine
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Re-public, where it's leaders are elected for the people, by the people (the public).

nope.

the USSR was, and PRC is, a republic.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Do you know how Sustainable Development would affect your life . Agenda 21 would end private property , end single family homes , end living in rural areas as properties will be confinscated . There is also a part about population reduction you may not like as you might a reducee. Then you will not need cars because you will be moved to population centers where you will be forced to live all cramped up . You may want to take a real tour of Sustainable development . Things of the past ; aircondition ,pets ,freedom to move about without permission , your overall freedom , private farms and cars .

Originally posted by SLAYER69
I was researching some information for a possible thread in another forum when I realized a certain angle I don't think many people stop to consider.

With all the discussion going on about which form of Government or Religion will dominate this potential Global Governing body the [NWO] it dawned on me that the "Republic" has already taken hold if not in true practice but at least in name and has pretty much taken a prominent position.

Another thing to consider, Many in the West consider Ancient Greece as the foundation of the "Republic" Was Ancient Greece a Republic? Many believe it was but it was closer to a loose confederation of democratic City States under various Kings.

No, we have to look to Rome...

Consider the following, there are many more but I chose a fair cross section.

The United States of America Federal Constitutional Republic
Islamic Republic of Iran
People's Republic of China
Federal Republic of Germany
Socialist Republic of Vietnam
The Democratic People's Republic of Korea
South Korea, officially the Republic of Korea
Israel Parliamentary Republic
Republic of Iraq
French Republic
Italian Republic
Mexico Federal Constitutional Republic
Federate Republic of Brazil
Argentine Republic
Republic of India

My questions come down to these.

A.) Which if any of them are truly a Republic?
B.) Could a NWO function positively as a true Republic?
C.) Has the the Term "Republic" lost it's true meaning?
D.) Is a Republic the best form of Governance?

And finally

E.) Why the obsession to be called a Republic if it's true form wont be followed?

re·pub·lic [ri-puhb-lik]
noun

1. A state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.

2. Any body of persons viewed as a commonwealth.

3. A state in which the head of government is not a monarch or other hereditary head of state.

I'd like to hear peoples comments and opinions.

Ah, white people... You give the Greeks and the Romans too much credit. Our Constitution was a modeled after the Iroquois Confederacy's Constitution."We the people, to form a (more perfect : ) union...", separation of powers, 3 branches (exec, leg, jud), federalism, all that. Here's a link:
www.fordham.edu...

It's all simple. This is the eternal cycle greed. It always snowballs until it gets so big that the little people revolt. You can take the title of king away from a person, but if he's the richest person in the country, and the country's government can be manipulated by wealth, he is still the de facto king. All representative forms of government slowly erode to this point because of human nature.

All that ancient bloodline bs is overrated. When you die you'll leave your money to your kids. It doesn't take a genius to figure it after that. A bunch of rich families died out and a bunch of the more ruthless ones survived. The majority of people alive come from ruthless bloodlines. 1 in 200 of earth's human population are descendants of Genghis Khan. It kinda makes sense.

We are in the "Let them eat cake" part of the cycle. The only scary part is how nasty the king's weapons have gotten. This is the highest level of decadence in the face of absolute poverty in the history of mankind. I don't like to us the word evil, so I'll just leave it at that. The fitter men will survive.

reply to post by vegeta2002


Actually I believe that the Banksters are still afraid of us . The violence against the rich during the French Revolution didn't go un noticed by them even though they ( Rothschild Bankers ) were said to have inituated the uprising because they were not able to get their fingers in the French governments business . After the revolution they were of course their to help the new government going .
Most countries in the world are in debt or have been said to be bankrupt owing to the World Bank . The USA has been bankrupt to the FED since 1934 . Some how they issue our money and we are bankrupt yo them .It's our money .