Gary McKinnon extradition to US blocked by Theresa May, page 3

reply to post by sueloujo

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A thief is a thief ..any way you look at it. The only reason why we lock our doors now is because of thieves..and enemies. If people were not criminals then it wouldnt matter. ,,the kid did wrong..knowingly...so are you saying its OK to break into homes if the door is unlocked?

reply to post by Juggernog

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We know that already, not quite breaking news is it. But how is it a crime? What about the act(s) is criminal. If I drive on a UK motorway at 70mph should I be fined by the US because their speed limit is only 55? Apologies but I like many familiar with this case have trouble even quantifying the "criminal" aspect of his actions. Cant believe I had to point THAT out.

reply to post by Meldionne1

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What did he steal exactly? Better yet, go find a law dictionary, look up the legal definition of "theft" then come back with a reasonable explanation of what what stolen.

And no, you don't lock your door because of thieves, you lock it because you're scared. By that logic you might want to avoid leaving the house, you could be hit by a bus. Good old fear.

reply to post by Meldionne1

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So how come all those thieving MP's with their false expense claims are still walking about free. Some even get jobs on the BBC.

Originally posted by bigyin
reply to post by Meldionne1

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So how come all those thieving MP's with their false expense claims are still walking about free. Some even get jobs on the BBC.

Yeh a bit like Jimmy Saville

reply to post by IsaacKoi

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Its about time this Goverment did something useful!
Jack straw and the Labour were too meak for the Americans when it all happened.
I don't think Presedent Obama could care less or he would have kicked up a stink by now.
How sweet of Theresa May to think of it at 'compelling' as if it has now taken up Gary as a good read, when clearly he stumbled on more than he had bargained for.
Good luck Gary, you lucky boy you! You know they are out there!

Originally posted by threewisemonkeys
reply to post by Juggernog

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We know that already, not quite breaking news is it. But how is it a crime? What about the act(s) is criminal. If I drive on a UK motorway at 70mph should I be fined by the US because their speed limit is only 55? Apologies but I like many familiar with this case have trouble even quantifying the "criminal" aspect of his actions. Cant believe I had to point THAT out.

Now youre just being stupid and arguing for the sake of arguing. Breaking into a secure govt computer is the crime, its against the law.
Dont even bother countering. Not gonna play your childish game.

Source

Theft of Information Theft of information refers to the theft of information from a secure or private computer system, as when a hacker illegally breaks into a government system to obtain top secret information. The theft of trade secrets and the computer-aided duplication of copyrighted materials—such as video games, movies, and music—also fall into this category.

reply to post by Juggernog

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Well, he did hack into several US Govt computers..

It does not say much for US Pentagon security if he could hack in does it. Just shows how pathetic the US is despite it's "we are the best" attitude. They should give him a medal for showing them just how inept they are rather than trying to incarcerate him for a ridiculous 60 years.

Originally posted by Juggernog

Originally posted by threewisemonkeys
reply to post by Juggernog

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We know that already, not quite breaking news is it. But how is it a crime? What about the act(s) is criminal. If I drive on a UK motorway at 70mph should I be fined by the US because their speed limit is only 55? Apologies but I like many familiar with this case have trouble even quantifying the "criminal" aspect of his actions. Cant believe I had to point THAT out.

Now youre just being stupid and arguing for the sake of arguing. Breaking into a secure govt computer is the crime, its against the law.
Dont even bother countering. Not gonna play your childish game.

Source

Theft of Information Theft of information refers to the theft of information from a secure or private computer system, as when a hacker illegally breaks into a government system to obtain top secret information. The theft of trade secrets and the computer-aided duplication of copyrighted materials—such as video games, movies, and music—also fall into this category.

edit on 10/16/2012 by Juggernog because: (no reason given)

Hi Juggernog

For example

I seen my friend having relations with another

Do i open my mouth and say something with no evidence and split a whole family up
or do i shut my mouth.

As for "He stole information" wtf?

Define stealing, i see it a as taking something thats physical form from someone else

What about Marconi? 20 odd of his patents from Tezla were used in his Radio..is he a thief

NO this episode has gone on far to long

reply to post by Juggernog

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Just not getting it are you. Where is it a crime? Where did he commit the crime? I suggest he neither committed the crime in the US nor the UK but somewhere in between. Care to show me the lawbooks for Inbeweenistan? Didn't think so.

And again someone using "theft" in this case without understanding what consitutes theft. Here's a hint, copying isn't theft. Theft is taking someones property without their permission thereby depriving them of the use of that item. If I walk down the road and pinch your car, you have no car. I have stolen it. I have deprived you of its use. If I walk down the road and decide I like the look of your car and whip out my magical car copying iphoney app and carbon copy your delightful motor, what have I stolen from you? Sod all. Electronic theft, lol.

Originally posted by Sublimecraft
"Now, just relax and enjoy yourself friend, me and you are on the same side, now, tell me exactly what you saw about the UFO's - and don't skip the finer details"

Yep - thats what I'd like to do.

Gary McKinnon has talked about what he claims to have seen, e.g. in the video below:

reply to post by davesmart

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Information can be "stolen" and when its Top Secret information thats viewed/stolen, thats even worse. You guys know this but youre just being stubborn because of your support for him.

And for the record, I could care less one way or another, he means nothing to me and my Govt means nothing to me.
I am just pointing out the facts.

link

The US authorities claim he deleted critical files from operating systems, which shut down the US Army’s Military District of Washington network of 2,000 computers for 24 hours. McKinnon also posted a notice on the military's website: "Your security is crap". After the September 11 attacks, he deleted weapons logs at the Earle Naval Weapons Station, rendering its network of 300 computers inoperable and paralyzing munitions supply deliveries for the US Navy's Atlantic Fleet. McKinnon is also accused of copying data, account files and passwords onto his own computer. US authorities claim the cost of tracking and correcting the problems he caused was over $700,000.[5] While not admitting that it constituted evidence of destruction, McKinnon did admit leaving a threat on one computer: US foreign policy is akin to Government-sponsored terrorism these days … It was not a mistake that there was a huge security stand down on September 11 last year … I am SOLO. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels … [6]

reply to post by Meldionne1

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No..I am saying it is a fact of life that we have house break-ins..so therefore we lock the door...otherwise the fees you pay to insurance companies are null and void and you would lose your worldly goods. We do not live in an ideal world no matter how much we might desire it.
A government body such as the Pentagon should have secured their computers with at least a password..No?? Then the temptation for these hackers would be zero.

Originally posted by Juggernog
reply to post by davesmart

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Information can be "stolen" and when its Top Secret information thats viewed/stolen, thats even worse. You guys know this but youre just being stubborn because of your support for him.

And for the record, I could care less one way or another, he means nothing to me and my Govt means nothing to me.
I am just pointing out the facts.

link

The US authorities claim he deleted critical files from operating systems, which shut down the US Army’s Military District of Washington network of 2,000 computers for 24 hours. McKinnon also posted a notice on the military's website: "Your security is crap". After the September 11 attacks, he deleted weapons logs at the Earle Naval Weapons Station, rendering its network of 300 computers inoperable and paralyzing munitions supply deliveries for the US Navy's Atlantic Fleet. McKinnon is also accused of copying data, account files and passwords onto his own computer. US authorities claim the cost of tracking and correcting the problems he caused was over $700,000.[5] While not admitting that it constituted evidence of destruction, McKinnon did admit leaving a threat on one computer: US foreign policy is akin to Government-sponsored terrorism these days … It was not a mistake that there was a huge security stand down on September 11 last year … I am SOLO. I will continue to disrupt at the highest levels … [6]

edit on 10/16/2012 by Juggernog because: (no reason given)

reply to post by IsaacKoi

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Cheers Isaac - you never cease to amaze me with your prompt resourcefulness.

This is exactly what I want to see - and gives me something to watch on the Bridge this evening.
(Captain - Merchant Navy)

I'll send the wenches and booze around to your place as a thanks

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