So how do you explain existence ?

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No I'm sorry I think the Big Bang is far more applicable as a cause less cause than your god delusion.

Seen as everything from the Big Bang including evolution is explained and accepted by science I don't see where a god fits in or even if one is required at all.

Any evidence of this god of yours? Or are you happy to try dismiss evolution instead even though it is an observable fact.

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There's so much evidence you won't even have an excuse for your ignorance. I see so much evidence I can only see you as someone who chooses to be blind. Nowhere does the Bible argue Gods existence because it is so obvious.
So I believe and have hope. You don't and have nothing.

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But let me guess its not what science would call evidence, you have to feel it blah blah blah blah blah.

It doesn't matter what the bible says its a fictional 2000 year old book and not a very good one at that. If there was any evidence of a god atheism wouldn't be growing as fast as it us. Unfortunately for you the more we learn about the universe the more we know there is no god.

Even Stephen hawking claims there is no god and you would think a man in his condition would want to believe in a god so he can live a life after death where he isn't suffering. However he is a genius and logical thinker, he won't cast aside his knowledge to believe in your garbage.

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It doesn't matter what the bible says its a fictional 2000 year old book and not a very good one at that. If there was any evidence of a god atheism wouldn't be growing as fast as it us

You're wrong again.thee Bible predicts these times will be filled people exactly like you pard. I don't think there's anything left for you to be wrong about. Happy Thanks giving.

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Does it now ha ha ha

We all know the bible is full of contradictions and mistakes, I guess it would be mildly amusing if at least one prediction in the bible came to fruition, I guess the law of averages dictates that it has to guess something right eventually.

Originally posted by GafferUK1981
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Does it now ha ha ha

We all know the bible is full of contradictions and mistakes, I guess it would be mildly amusing if at least one prediction in the bible came to fruition, I guess the law of averages dictates that it has to guess something right eventually.

So are you !
But you have some examples right ?

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Examples of what? Contradictions in the bible, you know how to google don't you?

A couple of examples are the bible gives two different men as the father of Joseph and the bible calls your god a god of war and then a god of peace, which is it? There's tonnes more though.

That's what happens when you take chinese whispers, hearsay and third hand stories and try put them together and pass it off as an actual recollection of events. It's a complete joke that anyone would believe what is written in the bible.

Originally posted by GafferUK1981
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Examples of what? Contradictions in the bible, you know how to google don't you?

A couple of examples are the bible gives two different men as the father of Joseph and the bible calls your god a god of war and then a god of peace, which is it? There's tonnes more though.

That's what happens when you take chinese whispers, hearsay and third hand stories and try put them together and pass it off as an actual recollection of events. It's a complete joke that anyone would believe what is written in the bible.

edit on 23-11-2012 by GafferUK1981 because: (no reason given)

Clearly you are the one lacking google skills.

First just off the top of my head.
The Bible calling God, a God of war and then the direct opposite, isn't even a contradiction.. Unless of course one is ignorant to the fact that they themselves can be both at different times. I can be a man of war one day and the next day a man of peace. So you're wrong on both of these also because....

Jesus was the heir to the throne and the true King of Israel thru both his mother and his father both leading back thru the House of David. You only need to follow the lineage provided in the canon to know that Jacob is the father of Joseph by seed as so named in the book of Math.

So why is Heli listed as Joseph's father in Luke ? Because Luke runs down the lineage of Christ thru his mother making Heli....what ? What was that ? Joseph's father in law, that's right young man, very good. So once again you've only proved you don't know anything about what you believe or dis believe for that matter. You just hear what you want to hear record and regurgitate.

Wrong wrong wrong nothing but wrong. That's all you've been But you're learning.
What was that you said about hearsay?

with a great deal of difficulty, and the eventual realisation that you can't. all options must remain open.

Originally posted by RoScoLaz
with a great deal of difficulty, and the eventual realisation that you can't. all options must remain open.

Straight forward honest and in the least amount of words possible. At least one of, if not the most intelligent of the responses I've seen.

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thanks. i tend to favour an economy of words.

Originally posted by randyvs
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We were created

Then who created evolution ?

Good I'm glad we agree. Nothing is created without a Creator, nothing designed without a designer, nothing programmed without a programmer, nothing mechanized without a mechanic, no magic without a magician.. Are you starting to see a trend here and why I believe you are wrong.

And evolution has never created anything.

Haven't you had enough of this yet?

edit on 22-11-2012 by randyvs because: (no reason given)

Who created the "creator"?

we're all just a dream dragons dream

consciousness is a chemical reaction

which is atoms and molecules interacting

whoa

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Come on then at some point it must be your turn to prove your theory of creation.

Try using evidence over scripture, the bible is too dubious a source to be considered evidence. Much the same as me using Jurassic park to prove dinosaurs existed.

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No you come on now all you've said in this thread has been proven to be 100% wrong and you should acknowledge that. And you are wrong again calling the Bible dubious. See you believe the modern day myth. Akin to an educated Hobo.

What you should do at the very least is concede that RosoColaz has made the most pertinent and truthful statement, remaining neutral at the same time. You see partner to take the stance of limitation to a document so serious in nature is a fallacy in itself. Don't eliminate anything because you don't know everything matey.

I'd rather see you open minded than actually proved so wrong. Or you can remain dense and unappreciative of all the time I've given you.

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So you're eliminating evolution and promoting creationism.

You do realise that the educated world think the opposite to you right.

Nothing I have said has been proven wrong, you just dismiss it because it goes against your precious bible. Just because you want something to be wrong doesn't make it wrong.

reply to post by GafferUK1981


Hah ! I figured as much.
This conversation is over. You hurry home now and hide your head under the pillows.


A spelling contest .
Have a nice day Gaff.

reply to post by randyvs


Yeah thanks for your contribution to the thread. You provided absolutely zero evidence but consider yourself above other members and talk very condescending towards those who do not share your beliefs.

Fortunately I'm not stupid enough to dismiss hard evidence that prove evolution to be a fact.

I'm sorry I cannot believe a book that is clearly fictitious and share your blind faith. Anybody who really believes a book which claims the earth to be 6000 years old and is ignorrant to dinosaurs is a lost cause.

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Last word freak maybe ?

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It is clear that as you've resorted to posting unrelated videos and writing childish insults that you are clearly unable to reinforce your beliefs with evidence.

I'll consider that a victory for rational thought.