posted on Nov, 2 2012 @ 08:24 PM
reply to post by nv4711
Let me at least try to help alleviate your feelings of irony.
The phrase was brought to prominence by Descartes, yet it seems the sentiment pre-dates him. I also doubt he owns the only possible further truth that
could be derived from it.
Obviously such a philosophical statement can and has been used since in western philosophy in a way that is not necessarily even relevant to the
subject of theism (in the purely psychological sense, for instance). From my experience, this would in fact be the more popular modern usage of it. In
no way can it or does it infer a god (IMO) on it's own, or anything else, other than what it infers directly. Many would disagree even with this
So it would seem "non sequitur" to assume a following endorsement of the entirety of someone's work and philosophy based on this, if this is what you
are inferring. I could change it, there are others from various philosophies that I like, one particular "truism" that I heard from a delusional and
insane christian cult leader I find holds a great truth. It wouldn't logically follow that I endorse the entirety of resulting beliefs and philosophy
of the one who proposed it.
Or are you just saying you find irony, without inferring this? If so, where is the irony? Perhaps the irony assumes I am ignorant of Descartes? If so,
I wonder if your "fellow atheist" observation is not also an "it does not logically follow" assumption (whether correct or otherwise). I certainly
have never claimed to be an atheist. Dismissing one particular deity (the christian one proposed in the bible, in this instance) doesn't make anyone
an atheist by default.
Also, just sayin'.....
edit on 2-11-2012 by Cogito, Ergo Sum because: for the heck of it.