a reply to: KellyPrettyBear
is how to live with despair --- that and a very healthy sense of humor.
Despair, I know too well and humour is always what saves me in the end from despair.
so if you sit 1 or 1 trillion "impassable" boundary layers away from the things you want to know
it's all the same.
I wonder if this is so for everyone.
I get into so much trouble because there are no boundaries for me in a practical sense. One only needs a starting point to begin. Like hunting, one
needs only to know that the rabbit exists and you will find it.
If there are boundaries, then I wonder if they are all self imposed?
Obedience to arbitrary rules, be they society, the nondisclosure agreements, or initiatory oaths are agreements. Honouring agreements is a civilised
way to behave bringing friendships and access to knowledge and is based on trust.
To break agreements brings distrust in it's wake, thus discord and chaos and one would find oneself eventually without friends and prey to predators.
To survive one would then have to learn to be a predator oneself. Predators generally hunt alone, sometimes in packs, but that is not civilised
society for human beings.
I think we begin life without boundaries and learn them as we learn civilised behavior; how to get on with our family, co-workers and neighbors.
"You can't climb over that fence!" So the child climbs the tree instead and drops over the fence.
It is within human society that secrets exist. The occultist trades his freedom for knowledge and power. So does the enquiring mind when he joins the
corporation to learn more about UFOs. What good is knowledge and power if it cannot be used to assist others, right wrongs and build friendships?
"Only the high initiate may know the secrets of the soul!" So the child just goes next door and asks the neighbors.
It is as easy as that if one is friends with the neighbors.
For me it seems to be simply a matter of consequences
. When it is discovered that you know such things; that it is common knowledge outside the
enclosure, it is then that trouble comes your way.
But what is the human enclosure?
It is the egregor. Step outside of Buddhism and one can see
the gods who were once human and what they have created. Step outside of
Christianity and one can see what has been created by man. Science too is an egregor.
That egregors are societies and safe havens for people is, on one hand a blessing and yet it is a curse too, for egregors are also enclosures.
Infinity in a closed space if one thinks the contents of the egregor is all there is.
Truth is like those russian dolls that fit within each other, extending to infinity.
Egregors are like that too. Russian dolls indeed but those dolls can hold multiple dolls. Step out far enough and one finds that the All Seeing
encloses them all. An egregor in reverse the Eye
watches the egregors within and thus sees all
But not really everything
does it see. Step out of the egregors and the egregors will seek you out to include you once again. The sheep dogs
will bring in those who stray from the flock.
Yet the All Seeing Eye
is not the eye of an infinate god, nor the "Universe" of the new age. The Eye is just a construct in itself; a tool to
see inside the egregors and thus watch us all. The Eye knows what pain is, the Eye knows fear. Perhaps that is why the Eye is here.
The Eye watches the world of egregors, it has limits, for it does not watch over the Nature Spirits nor anything else that is not within the
To watch over Nature Beings and others are the Devas in all their guises. To observe their interaction with the little Nature Spirits is to see an
occupation force for the fairies fear the Devas.
The coming of religion and the taming of Nature is plain to see. Perhaps it is progress from one point of view. To control the weather, to control the
environment, to control the world.
In the mysteries, at least the ones I studied, there were a few reasons for
hiding the truth and teaching "lies":
1) To protect against misuse of the knowledge.
2) If you tell the student the answer, he won't derive it him/herself, and in fact its the
pressure put on the organism that causes growth/evolution.. the "answer" almost
3) As a security measure... if a student goes around spouting the "truth", then the group
knows that it has been penetrated.. as that "truth" is actually a "lie" to catch spies.
4) And of course.. per godel's incompleteness theorum.. there only exist lies..
it read through the wikipedia article on Gödel's theorem and could not connect
with what was said. There was no
to it. Such things feel, to me at least, like the abstractions of intellect from within an egregor. Just my view there and I don't doubt
that within the egregors concerned that the theorums hold true and indeed that all knowledge is lies.
Yet is it so outside of those intellects and egregor? Some things would be universal and common to all the egregors inside and out. Yet within the
egregors not everything is the same.
If one were to create a world, or simply a cage for a creature that matter, an egregor would suffice to keep our creature happy and contained.
Yet I wonder. Would not the egregor eventually become so structured that it becomes a prison?
My view is that book-learning is not true knowledge. Book-learning does share a how-to of things as does an oral tradition. Learning that a cat has
claws is one thing but until we meet the cat and feel the claws ourselves it is theoretical.
I often liken our boundary of self
to be a window to what is
and book-learning and theories to be like pictures cut out of a magazine
and pasted on our window. Too many pictures and we will no longer be able to perceive the what is
beyond our self
You've caught me on a morning after days of conflict and so my mood is reflective. Intuitive fella you are KPB
edit on 17-1-2018 by Whatsthisthen because: typo