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Believers in after life, why do the MAJORITY of people who survived clinical death not experience a

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posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 03:08 PM
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I'm neutral on this and I know that no matter what source I use, non-believers aren't going to take in the source and believers aren't going to. They are going to believe what they believe. But here it is

www.near-death.com...

I remember seeing this information on a documentary on Youtube I think it's called "The Day I died" I think.




posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 03:13 PM
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Because people who don't have an NDE don't die? If they can still tell the tale, they're not dead, eh?

This is at least the third thread of yours in the last week on this same subject, and I'm starting to wonder why the obsession with disproving the NDE experience? I thought that the first one was a pretty good thread, but now I'm beginning to see an agenda.

(Actually, looking at your profile, this would be your sixth or seventh thread on the same subject, life after death, in the past couple of weeks.)
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posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by adjensen
Because people who don't have an NDE don't die? If they can still tell the tale, they're not dead, eh?

This is at least the third thread of yours in the last week on this same subject, and I'm starting to wonder why the obsession with disproving the NDE experience? I thought that the first one was a pretty good thread, but now I'm beginning to see an agenda.

(Actually, looking at your profile, this would be your sixth or seventh thread on the same subject, life after death, in the past couple of weeks.)
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You're not answering the question though, you're answering with a question. That doesn't make sense because those who had been CLINICALLY DEAD do not see anything, the majority of them.

You're paranoid and making an assumption of my agenda. I want to be concvinced that NDE is real but I'm in between and I have no freaking idea. You don't know how much I wish to whole heartedly BELIEVE in an after life or even atheism (NOTHING happening) if it comes to peace with my mind.
My last thread was made but no one seemed to really be answering but only answering with questions such as you did.
The other one is about hallucinations and chemicals

What's wrong with WANTING answers to all the questions there is about NDE? I could go on forever. You don't have to reply if you're annoyed with my questions but as long as it's not against the rules here I see no problem with it. I think a lot about what happens after death.



posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 03:28 PM
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The simple fact is that there is no possible way to know, at this point. It is really only possible for you to take the stories that you have heard, compile them in your head, and extrapolate an answer for yourself. There is nothing that anyone can say to convince you, because death is not something you can test in a scientific fashion.

It is a best guess, based on people's experiences. So, you just have to form your own opinion, based on what science says, and what people experience. Add in any religion you may personally believe, and you have the answer.



posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 03:33 PM
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Sucks for me because I will be forever lost
I have my own theory but it's just merely a theory. I'll forever be on here coming up with new similar questions for you all. Sorry for that.



posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by chelle21689
What's wrong with WANTING answers to all the questions there is about NDE? I could go on forever. You don't have to reply if you're annoyed with my questions but as long as it's not against the rules here I see no problem with it. I think a lot about what happens after death.


Because you could have made do with one thread, rather than six or seven on the same subject. That's frowned upon here, for a number of reasons.

As for your question, it is irrelevant, because the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. If 100 people experience clinical death, and 1 has a clearly valid NDE and 99 do not, it is the one that is notable, not the 999, no?



posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by chelle21689
reply to post by Catacomb
 


Sucks for me because I will be forever lost
I have my own theory but it's just merely a theory. I'll forever be on here coming up with new similar questions for you all. Sorry for that.


Don't ever apologize for being curious. But, just don't expect an answer to that curiosity.



posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 03:36 PM
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A near death experience is simply what your spirit, as in you, think what dying is and what might happen based on what information you have collected throughout your life. An assumption and that is all a near death experience is.



posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by chelle21689

Originally posted by PassiveObserver
Same reason the MAJORITY of people can't remember their dreams.

They all dream. Everyone does, but most people never recall them.
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pardon my tone but if you're relating it to a dream then I feel it kind of goes against the belief of NDE being real because it's like basically saying it was all in your brain lol.



please provide proof of dreams being "all in your brain".
quite a few cultures consider dreams to be as real as waking life.
and don't tell me to google it, that is considered a cop-out here, as it is you making the claim it falls to you to provide the proof.



posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 03:48 PM
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REM sleep, sleep studies? You disprove that?



posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 03:50 PM
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As I said before I'm neutral on this. I'm not saying there for sure is one or that there isn't one. I just have many questions that are unanswered. Don't take offense to it. I'm playing "devil's advocate here". Just like a pastor can't get mad at a Christian for wanting answers that they don't understand from the bible.



posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by chelle21689

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by chelle21689
Sorry if this is similar to my last post but I wasn't getting the answers I wanted because I think many people MISUNDERSTOOD what I said. They thought I was asking "Why doesn't everyone have a NDE?" What I meant was...why do MANY MANY people who "died" and brought back to life have (sic: shouldn't you have the word "never" in there?) a near death experience? Most who have been clinically dead experience NOTHING.


That's a very definitive statement. What evidence do you have of this? What studies can you cite? How many people actually have been declared clinically dead in any given period of time? Is there any evidence that people who may have experienced an NDE simply don;t talk about it? Why would they not mention it, do you think? Were they never asked, perhaps? Of the doctors and other medical personnel who attended somoene who was declared clinically dead, how many are awre of the subject> Were there any protocols in place to test this out, e.g. symbols on the top of equipment that could not be seen unless you were floating above them?

Your contention may very well be true, but you provide ZERO evidence as to how many people have been declared clincically dead and ZERO evidence as to what percentage have experienced NDEs. So is this just your opinion, or is this all you've got?



GOOGLE it..there is evidence. I will try to search for the site I have read on this on MULTIPLE ones.


No, I'm not going to GOOGLE it. YOU are the one making this claim, yet you present no evidence. It's your responsibility to present the evidence, and so far you've presented nothing tangible. If you've done the research "multiple" times, then you ought to be able to do a credible job presenting your case. As it stands, you've got nothing but your own unsubstantiated opinion.

Your task is to show that X number of people have been declared clinically dead, but only Y% have reported NDEs. That's your problem, not ours.



posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by chelle21689

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by chelle21689
Sorry if this is similar to my last post but I wasn't getting the answers I wanted because I think many people MISUNDERSTOOD what I said. They thought I was asking "Why doesn't everyone have a NDE?" What I meant was...why do MANY MANY people who "died" and brought back to life have (sic: shouldn't you have the word "never" in there?) a near death experience? Most who have been clinically dead experience NOTHING.


That's a very definitive statement. What evidence do you have of this? What studies can you cite? How many people actually have been declared clinically dead in any given period of time? Is there any evidence that people who may have experienced an NDE simply don;t talk about it? Why would they not mention it, do you think? Were they never asked, perhaps? Of the doctors and other medical personnel who attended somoene who was declared clinically dead, how many are awre of the subject> Were there any protocols in place to test this out, e.g. symbols on the top of equipment that could not be seen unless you were floating above them?

Your contention may very well be true, but you provide ZERO evidence as to how many people have been declared clincically dead and ZERO evidence as to what percentage have experienced NDEs. So is this just your opinion, or is this all you've got?



GOOGLE it..there is evidence. I will try to search for the site I have read on this on MULTIPLE ones.


No, I'm not going to GOOGLE it. YOU are the one making this claim, yet you present no evidence. It's your responsibility to present the evidence, and so far you've presented nothing tangible. If you've done the research "multiple" times, then you ought to be able to do a credible job presenting your case. As it stands, you've got nothing but your own unsubstantiated opinion.

Your task is to show that X number of people have been declared clinically dead, but only Y% have reported NDEs. That's your problem, not ours.


Why are you getting your panties in a bunch? I said for you to google because I can't find it and I'll TRY to. I posted above the LINK that sources that a small majority have experienced it with a study done. Have you read it? It's up there.



posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 03:55 PM
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Here is the source of the study which can also be found in I believe the "Near Death Experience" on Youtube

www.near-death.com...

You happy? Most people interveriewed who had been clinically dead but brought back to life have not reported experiencing NDE. My question is WHY. I'm not hear to argue whether or not this is real...jeez.



posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by Catacomb

Originally posted by chelle21689
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Sucks for me because I will be forever lost
I have my own theory but it's just merely a theory. I'll forever be on here coming up with new similar questions for you all. Sorry for that.


Don't ever apologize for being curious. But, just don't expect an answer to that curiosity.


Thanks for understanding. Many many people on here are feeling threatened by me asking and challenging their belief just because of the curiosity. People are very sensitive. Never once have I said "THIS IS IT" as if fact but more of a "if".



posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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Folks lets knock off the bickering please. Notice I said "please"?



posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by chelle21689

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by chelle21689
Sorry if this is similar to my last post but I wasn't getting the answers I wanted because I think many people MISUNDERSTOOD what I said. They thought I was asking "Why doesn't everyone have a NDE?" What I meant was...why do MANY MANY people who "died" and brought back to life have (sic: shouldn't you have the word "never" in there?) a near death experience? Most who have been clinically dead experience NOTHING.


That's a very definitive statement. What evidence do you have of this? What studies can you cite? How many people actually have been declared clinically dead in any given period of time? Is there any evidence that people who may have experienced an NDE simply don;t talk about it? Why would they not mention it, do you think? Were they never asked, perhaps? Of the doctors and other medical personnel who attended somoene who was declared clinically dead, how many are awre of the subject> Were there any protocols in place to test this out, e.g. symbols on the top of equipment that could not be seen unless you were floating above them?

Your contention may very well be true, but you provide ZERO evidence as to how many people have been declared clincically dead and ZERO evidence as to what percentage have experienced NDEs. So is this just your opinion, or is this all you've got?



GOOGLE it..there is evidence. I will try to search for the site I have read on this on MULTIPLE ones.


No, I'm not going to GOOGLE it. YOU are the one making this claim, yet you present no evidence. It's your responsibility to present the evidence, and so far you've presented nothing tangible. If you've done the research "multiple" times, then you ought to be able to do a credible job presenting your case. As it stands, you've got nothing but your own unsubstantiated opinion.

Your task is to show that X number of people have been declared clinically dead, but only Y% have reported NDEs. That's your problem, not ours.


So I gave you the source and you are still unhappy. There's my evidence though. I don't get it why are you so angry that I have stated this study? All I want to know is your theory on why some experience this and some don't.

One person said that some may choose to not remember. That was a perfectly great answer whether or not I believe in it. Unlike your answer of feeling threatened and taking it the wrong way, it isn't necessary for that. Again, as I said before I'm not here to say NDE isn't real and I'm not here to say it IS real.



posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 04:01 PM
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If I died and had an NDE I would not tell anyone either.



posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 04:03 PM
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I'll accept that answer. It just scares me because there's people I know who have clinically died and were disheartened to see blackness, not see anything. But one guy I know that clinically died and survived it does claimed to have seen ghosts a few times in his life lol so there's that.



posted on Oct, 15 2012 @ 04:28 PM
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In regards on siding with NDE, I found this to be a great analogy.

".I can't comment on this from personal experience, although my wife claims to have had the experience when she was in her teens, but it does seem to me that the possible evidence suggesting that scientists may have solved the mystery is pretty flimsy. As I have said before, a spider has no idea that Australia exists because its knowledge is limited to its local vicinity. However, mankind with its wider knowlege, has proved that it does, We know that the moon exists and we know that there are countless suns in countless galaxies. But none of this exists to the spider. It's perseptual range is highly limited and so I would suggest is ours. Just as we live on a higher plane of existance than the spider, so it is logical to propose that God exists and that he dwells in a place we cannot see or prove the existance of. This example of thinking beyond science is just one of the pieces that build a case for the existance of God. Near death experiences could be another.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...
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