reply to post by AfterInfinity
I'm trying to keep this on topic. So can you connect New Ageism to Satanism using facts? Because that's the topic.
Well the topic is whether ONENESS is a lie, the belief in nature, being 'kept docile and dumb', a universal consciousness means 'you are god'...those
are a few things mentioned in the OP...So I will re-frame my response to you and put it more in terms of the OP.
I was reading through the Bhagavad Gita recently, one of the more commonly read sections of Mahabharata and many of these concepts the OP mentioned
are present there, in this ancient Indian scripture dated to be around 200BC-200AD.
I will be using a version translated by Juan Mascaro for Penguin Books.
Here we have Krishna, one of the most recognised avatars of the supreme lord Vishnu (Vedic Hinduism), telling us how to be devoted to him (or Form
Supreme, End Supreme, Lord of all, Creator, Ever One , the End of wisdom, the Light of consciousness, the Light of all lights ect...).
13:20 Nature is the source of all material things: the maker, the means of making, and the thing made. Spirit is the source of all
Here we have a very naturalistic idea of creation presented, the creation comes from within natural (i.e natural mechanism...or one might read that to
mean, having to conform to scientific laws of nature) so we all told most assuredly here that creation did not come from a supernatural entity outside
of nature. You can see why Richard Dawkins has described pantheism as ‘sexed up athiesm’
13:28 And when a man sees that the God in himself is the same God in all that is...then he goes indeed to the highest path
What is interesting about this concept of ‘God’ presented in Hinduism is that this god element is not capable of supernatural things because he is
contained to within nature/scientific laws. So when a person says that I know god is within me it is more like saying, I know that I am able to walk
down the road, write a book, build things, think, eat ect...I would argue that they are misplacing the word usage of ‘god’ because being contained
to only what nature can do is almost by definition not God (at least with my on concept of God who is a supernatural entity, not governed by natural
laws, can change natural laws anytime He wishes ect). I would never say I am god in myself because I have no power in myself alone to do supernatural
things, but the standard of others might not be to be able to do supernatural things so they are more comfortable using the terminology, whereas I
would see it as blasphemous.
13:30 When a man sees that the infinity of various beings is abiding in the ONE, and is an evolution from the ONE, then he becomes one with
Seeing that we have already introduced this concept of naturalism to explain creation it is interesting that this idea of evolution comes in as well.
14:3 In the vastness of my Nature I place the seed of things to come; and from this union comes the birth of all beings.
This is teaching that the origins of life can be explained by naturalistic evolution alone
14:19 ...the man of vision sees that the powers of nature are the only actors of this vast drama...
thus no supernatural element involved, no supernatural creation and no fallen angels influencing anything down here
15:12 The splendour of light that comes from the sun and which illumines the whole universe...know that they come from me.
The idea I want to highlight here is that nature is now claiming it can explain how stars (the sun) have come into existence from naturalistic
mechanism (scientific laws of nature).
15:10 ...those in delusion see him not, but he who has the eye for wisdom sees
15:17 But the highest spirit ....is called the Spirit Supreme.
15:19 He who with clear vision sees me as the Spirit Supreme he knows all there is to be known, and he adores me with all his soul.
15:20...He who sees it has seen light, and his task in this world is done
Basically, when you believe that life comes from naturalistic evolution you now know all things and your work in the world is done.
16:4...these belong to a man born form hell...[v.8] They say: ‘This world has no truth, no moral foundation, no God. There is no law of
So I might say that there is no Truth but God (the supernatural kind), no explanation that naturalistic evolution can give to explain the innate moral
foundation in the world, and no law of science that can explain creation from initial big bang to cosmic, stellar and planetary evolution all the way
through to where we are now (including the beginning representation of life on Earth where full diversity was at the beginning).
Basically Hinduism is calling me from hell and associates me with ‘ignorance’ and ‘deceitfulness’ (from verse 4) for believing in the
supernatural explanation of origins and not naturalistic evolution (that is the ‘Light’).
16:23-24 But the man who rejects the words of the Scriptures...attains neither his perfection, nor joy, nor the Path Supreme. Let the Scriptures
be therefore thy authority as to what is right and what is not right...
So basically I am not from heaven, nor can attain joy because I reject the truth (authority) of Hindu Scriptures as their origins of creation cannot
be at all explained by the scientific laws of nature.
18:22 And if one selfishly sees a thing as if it were everything, independent of the ONE and the many, then one is in the darkness of
Well I protest this...I am in darkness and ignorance then....please all those who are connected to the Light explain to me how a single hydrogen atom
or carbon atom or star came into existence. Naturalistic evolution can’t explain the most basically elements coming into existence let alone a star
that is essential for life (let alone anything else like a living cell or animal)
When asking a scientist where the energy came from that created the simplest element hydrogen they will say we can’t explain that. When asked why
when hydrogen (matter) was formed out of this energy it did not create equal amounts of antimatter (which is what naturalistic science says would be
created) they are not able to explain why. When asked how a star (population III the simplest star containing virtually only hydrogen and helium)
formed, how did the gases condense down in an open space when such condensing would caused increased heat and thus pressure and thus force the gases
apart again (also as the gases condense a spin is created and the laws of angular momentum would prevent gases condensing down any further and fling
the gases away). When asked have you ever seen a star form to prove that it is possible naturalistically they will say that nobody has ever seen a
star form (but that have seen many stars exploded though). When asked have you ever seen any of these simplest stars (with just hydrogen and helium
and trace lithium in them) that are needed in the trillions upon trillions to explain all other stars (population 1 and 2) and planetary bodies in the
cosmos, where all the heavier elements came from (like the 100+ heavier elements), they will say we have never seen a population III star, all stars
are either population I or II containing heavier elements that can’t be explained by naturalistic/scientific laws how they got there already. We can
only see approx 300 supernova remnant which some report to occur with a frequency of about every 26 years roughly. This means we can only see evidence
of exploding stars going back roughly 7, 500 thousand years when supposedly the remnants of these supernovas should still be visible of over a million
years. These issues are things that are readily explained (and I would say only explained) by supernatural creation and aren’t explainable by the
‘wisdom’ of ‘Light’ from naturalistic evolution.
16:2 ...truth...aversion to fault-finding...[v.3]...these are the treasures of the man born from heaven
Whereas those born of hell, who question and find fault in naturalistic creation who believe in supernatural creation instead are:
16:9 Firm in this belief, these men of dead souls, of truly little intelligence, undertake their work of evil: they are the enemies of this fair
world, working for its destruction
Sound like I better shut my mouth and participate in their restrictive group think or I should justifiably be put to death to help create a better
Now while I have used an exoteric religious teaching example (the Bhagavad Gita) to introduce my point lets then link these same kinds of concepts
taught to a place I can source of more esoteric teaching.
Theosophy is an example where we can link these concepts of Oneness, evolution, naturalism, the god in all of us and the justified killing of those
who oppose their group think of naturalistic evolution. Theosophy is my example of New Age (which I have linked to ancient Indian teachings that I
will link to Satanism).
So in exoteric theosophy teaching we hear that:
let us never forget that it is the Life, its purpose and its directed intentional destiny that is of importance; and also that when a form proves
inadequate, or too diseased, or too crippled for the expression of that purpose, it is – from the point of view of the Hierarchy – no disaster
when that form has to go. Death is not a disaster to be feared; the work of the Destroyer is not really cruel or undesirable.
Alice A. Bailey, Education in the New Age, 1954, Lucis Publishing Company, p. 112.
Thus like in the Gita, it is perfectly reasonable to destroy ignorant, evil supernatural creationists because they are diseased and crippled.
June 1947 Bailey says that World War II,
with all its unspeakable horrors, its cruelties, and its cataclysmic disasters – was but the broom of the Father of all, sweeping away
obstructions in the path of His returning Son.
It would have been well-nigh impossible to prepare for the coming in the face of the pre-war conditions.
Alice A. Bailey, The Externalisation of the Hierarchy, 1957, Lucis Publishing Company, p.618
After the war, Bailey wrote in Education in the New Age that “the Custodians of God’s Plan”viewed World War II as,
in the nature of major surgical operation made in an effort to save the patient’s life; [the operation had been] largely successful [in
removing] a violent streptococcic germ and infection [that had] menaced the life of humanity.
[The operation] was made in order to prolong opportunity and save life, not to save the form. The operation was largely successful.
[But this would just be the beginning as] The germ, to be sure, is not eradicated and makes its presence felt in infected areas in the body of
humanity. Another surgical operation may be necessary, not in order to destroy and end the present civilisation, but in order to dissipate the
infection and get rid of the fever.
source: Alice A. Bailey, Education in the New Age, 1954, Lucis Publishing Company, p. 111-112
Bailey’s use of the germ/infection metaphor for people paralleled Himmler’s speech to senior SS officers in Posen in 1943: “We have exterminated
a bacterium because we do not want in the end to be infected by the bacterium and die of it. I will not see so much as a small area of sepsis appear
here or gain a hold. Wherever it may form, we will cauterise it. All in all, however, we can say that we have carried out this most difficult of tasks
in a spirit of love for our people. And we have suffered no harm in our inner being, our soul, our character.” (Michael Burleigh, The Third Reich: A
New History, Hill and Wang, 2000, p. 661).
Lets see the expression of love and tolerance by New Age teaching here, Jews (who are supernatural creationist) are liken to germs that need to be
surgically removed...that is a creative way for justifying mass-murder. I never knew mass-murder could be made to look so desirable (the father of
lies can make a lump of S^*t look desirable).
We also note that future 'surgical operations' may be needed as well (because there is a hell of a lot of Christian supernatural creationist that
don't worship the 'god' in nature) that need to be removed as well.
Alice Bailey and her associates at the Lucis Trust have repeatedly praised revolutions and dictatorships, approving them as part of the workings
of “the Plan.” In September 1939, she said, “The men who inspired the initiating French revolution; the great conqueror, Napoleon;
Bismarck, creator of a nation; Mussolini, the regenerator of his people; Hitler who lifted a distressed people upon his shoulders; Lenin, the
idealist, Stalin and Franco” were “great and outstanding personalities who were peculiarly sensitive to the will-to-power and the
will-to-change;” all were “expressions of the Shamballa force” (a force which Bailey extolled) and “emphasised increasingly the wider human
Of course the results of the French Revolution would be extolled, millions of Christians slaughtered and atheistic thinking replacing Christianity. Of
course Stalin and Lenin would be praised...tens of millions of Christians killed to replace a Christian nation with atheism. Of course Hitler would be
praised, brought to power by the Vatican (the power the Bible designates in from Satan) to kill Jews and millions of Christians who fought on both
the true nature of cosmic evil finds its major expression in wrong thinking, false values, and the supreme evil of materialistic selfishness and
the sense of isolated separativeness.
Alice A. Bailey, The Rays and the Initiations: Volume V, A Treatise on the Seven Rays, 1960, Lucis Publishing Company, p. 753.
So I guess 'supreme evil' must be Christianity which teaches:
2 Corinthians 6:17 Therefore come out from among them, and be you separate, says the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive
Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive
not of her plagues.
So now let's delve into the esoteric teaching of Theosophy (which should by extension be the esoteric teaching of Hinduism and all other religious
teachings that hold the same concepts)
Satan, or Lucifer, represents the active, or, as M. Jules Baissac calls it, the 'Centrifugal Energy of the Universe' in a cosmic sense.
Blavatsky, H.P. (2011-06-20). The Secret Doctrine: All Volumes (Illustrated) (Kindle Locations 17869-17873). . Kindle Edition.
What, indeed, can a student of Occultism, a beginner, gather from the following highly poetical sentences of Eliphas Levi, as apocalyptic as the
writings of any of the Alchemists?
"Lucifer, the Astral Light . . . . is an intermediate force existing in all creation, it serves to create and to destroy, and the Fall of Adam was an
erotic intoxication which has rendered his generation a slave to this fatal light . . . every sexual passion that overpowers our senses is a whirlwind
of that light which seeks to drag us towards the abyss of death, Folly. Hallucinations, visions, ecstasies are all forms of a very dangerous
excitation due to this interior phosphorus (?). Thus light, finally, is of the nature of fire, the intelligent use of which warms and vivifies, and
the excess of which, on the contrary, dissolves and annihilates. Thus man is called upon to assume a sovereign empire over that (astral) light and
conquer thereby his immortality, and is threatened at the same time with being intoxicated, absorbed, and eternally destroyed by it. This light,
therefore, inasmuch as it is devouring, revengeful, and fatal, would thus really be hell-fire, the serpent of the legend; the tormented errors of
which it is full, the tears and the gnashing of teeth of the abortive beings it devours, the phantom of life that escapes them, and seems to mock and
insult their agony, all this would be the devil or Satan indeed." (Histoire de la Magie, p. 197).
Blavatsky, H.P. (2011-06-20). The Secret Doctrine: All Volumes (Illustrated) (Kindle Locations 22613-22624). . Kindle Edition
Thus to the profane, the Astral Light may be God and Devil at once -- Demon est Deus inversus: that is to say, through every point of Infinite
Space thrill the magnetic and electrical currents of animate Nature, the life-giving and death-giving waves, for death on earth becomes life on
another plane. Lucifer is divine and terrestrial light, the "Holy Ghost" and "Satan," at one and the same time,
Blavatsky, H.P. (2011-06-20). The Secret Doctrine: All Volumes (Illustrated) (Kindle Locations 22643-22646). . Kindle Edition.
And now it stands proven that Satan, or the Red Fiery Dragon, the "Lord of Phosphorus" (brimstone was a theological improvement), and Lucifer, or
"Light-Bearer," is in us: it is our Mind -- our tempter and Redeemer, our intelligent liberator and Saviour from pure animalism.
Blavatsky, H.P. (2011-06-20). The Secret Doctrine: All Volumes (Illustrated) (Kindle Locations 22654-22657). . Kindle Edition.
Their prince is called in the Kabala Samael, the Angel of Death, who is also the seducing serpent Satan; but that Satan is also Lucifer, the
bright angel of Light, the Light and Life-bringer, the "Soul" alienated from the Holy Ones, the other angels, and for a period, anticipating the time
when they would have descended on Earth to incarnate in their turn.
Blavatsky, H.P. (2011-06-20). The Secret Doctrine: All Volumes (Illustrated) (Kindle Locations 15368-15371). . Kindle Edition.
It is pretty obvious that insider teaching of the New Age associates Nature (or the creative power in Nature) as being Satan. It also associates Satan
as being the Light, god, the Angel of Death, the Serpent, the Dragon ect ect....So the one, by the definition of insider New Age teaching themselves
associate with being derived from Satan, is naturalistic evolution (that leads people away from the actual supernatural Creator, Jesus) and getting
people to believe they are god (but that 'god' having no supernatural power) which of course derives from Eden when the Satan lead Eve into error by
capturing her mind thinking she would be like god herself.
Personally I define Satanism as openly worshiping Satan, performing sexual and sacrificial rituals to him and having a generally concept of rigorous
survival of the fittest where it is okay to bribe and kill people to get what you want to make yourself wealthy as long as you are smart enough to get
away with it. I personally define Luciferianism as a gentler more feminine aspect of these concepts which is more readily expressed in exoteric
teachings like exoteric Hinduism and exoteric theosophy where Satan tries to capture a person's mind with pleasant sounding ideas that they should aim
for like gentleness, wisdom, steadiness ect but then deceptively weaves in this big underlying intolerance for any dissenters buy associating them
with being any kind of bad description or evil in the world. Luciferianism has many links to the overt Satanism, concepts of evolution, a sacrifice to
a created being ect but it is just presented in a more palatable form for people to swallow and to ponder over thinking they are wise.
I would describe any religion that promotes naturalism and evolution as our origins or follows created beings as 'disguised Satanism'....Jesus is not
mere ascended master, a created being like any supposed other 'master'. He is the supernatural Creator of the Universe. Talking about the examples
that show the Cosmos and Earth are supernaturally created alone as an explanation is a testimony to Jesus and a punch in the face to Satan who wishes
to lead anyone he can away from worshiping Jesus as this sole Creator and outside of nature (the created).
So if you want to believe that New Age is true, wisdom ect....then prove to me that the universe is created through natural laws and that life is
created by natural laws of science (because from all I have studied on these topics of science and natural laws....the naturalistic method can not
explain S%&t to put it mildly)
edit on 29-3-2013 by JesuitGarlic because: (no reason given)