New Age = Satanism?

Originally posted by r2d246
Buddha
Moron
JW
Satanists
Luciferians
Muslim
Hindu
Bahi
New age
Witchcraft
Spiritualism
Paganism
Masons and other secrets societies
Illuminati
Voodoo
Noris Gods
Greek mythology
Astrology

All of these and more are all Satans different religions and practices, all designed to distract humans from simply finding Jesus. Some more forthcoming than others, but all designed to distract and confuse people about who there creator is.

Thank you for alienating everybody but people just like you. You do realize that your Jesus was also a distraction for the Jews, right? He was Satan in the eyes of many.

And what the hell is a "Noris God"? Like as in Chuck? Are you calling Chuck a Satanist? You also listed "Moron" as a religion. Projecting much?

Seriously man. If you ever want to know why Christians pretend they are being "persecuted", it's because of people like you. You hate and you hate and you hate then go crying "PERSECUTION!" when somebody tells you to get bent with your judgmental cult.

reply to post by Cuervo


Ya I'm calling Chuck out for what he is and for his gross negligent insubordination and his role is deceiving humanity! .... I should have said viking Gods, ha ha.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


Do you believe in the ten commandments? What is the first one?

Originally posted by r2d246
Do you believe in the ten commandments?

Not all of them.

And what does this have to do with your vile and hateful intolerance?

Originally posted by r2d246
So if you don't believe in God what do you believe? Where did the universe come from?

Oh, I believe in God and his Son Jesus Christ. I just found that looking into how Jesus Lived and what he said was a vastly different message then you and your fellow thumpers are spreading.

You spend your time trying to get specific Bible passages to re-affirm your twisted logic, while you completely ignore the damn message.

God Bless.

The OP brings up some very interesting thoughts that I've entertained recently myself. It can all get kind of confusing and start blending together - what is evil? What is good? Is evil simply masquerading as good with the "oneness" message? Is it all just backwards? Are we being tricked?

In short, yes. And no. You could explain it like this: if an action or thought of yours stems from a place of unconditional, non-judgemental love then that is good. If an action or thought stems from hate, greed, judgement, anger, etc., then that is bad. But which is representative of the true God? After all, some say God is actually Satan... but let's take the God and Satan designations out of it entirely for now. Let's focus on the good and the bad, the love and the hate.

Do we all, as humans, feel one or the other at some point in our lives? Yes. Are some of us more predisposed towards one over the other? Yes. But they exist, either entirely or in fragments in every one of us.

We are capable of both - good and bad. All of us. We are human. This is the key... because Satan and God are not human. Please understand I'm not even identifying with my belief system as I explain this, but rather the belief system of most people here on Earth... this is why I'm talking about Satan and God as if they are other-worldly entities. The difference would be that Satan is only capable of the bad, and God is only capable of LOVE.

Most of the time, with things and animals we like to humanize them in order to understand and make sense out of them. When it comes to God/Satan, it's the other way around. We dehumanize them, by imagining (or "understanding") that they are inherently not capable of both the light and dark, but only one or the other. I think on a psychological level we do this so that our moments of pure evil are accounted for... and likewise our moments of true selflessness and love. In those instantaneous moments, or the seconds, or minutes, we need a justification for our actions or thoughts BECAUSE we ourselves are not being inherently, truly human. Because to be human is to be made up of both good and bad, mixed and blended together.... it is in our very nature.

Originally posted by network dude

Originally posted by r2d246
So if you don't believe in God what do you believe? Where did the universe come from?

Oh, I believe in God and his Son Jesus Christ. I just found that looking into how Jesus Lived and what he said was a vastly different message then you and your fellow thumpers are spreading.

You spend your time trying to get specific Bible passages to re-affirm your twisted logic, while you completely ignore the damn message.

God Bless.

Yes I see your point. I am an argumentative person by nature when it comes to debating. I'm just trying to engage in healthy debate here that's all. I'd rather bring some truth to the table than just coddle people. Maybe i got to reevaluate my approach slightly ha ha.

reply to post by r2d246


I believe in a higher power. I also believe you don't have a damn clue what it is or what it wants. And finally, I believe that your "God" is a hybrid between what we are and what we want to be. Essentially, it's a representation of where we want to go and how we think we can get there.

Unfortunately, we don't know the first thing about what we NEED, nor do we care. And that's why your "God" is a failure. But all in all, that's my opinion. All I really know is this: should we enter a challenge debate on the subject, I can pound your arguments into the ground. Logic has a weight that no faith can resist, unless you choose to block your ears and cover your eyes. And in that case, why bother with the truth?

reply to post by wrdwzrd

I want to ask YOU, people who belong to organizations, secret or not, and have researched and studied these things thoroughly in their lives. What do you make of this? Where is this coming from? Why now? And do you feel there is any validity in what is being said? As I pride myself in being an open minded critical thinker, I like to explore all options and challenge my beliefs, without this, there is no growth. I am sure most of you feel the same. I am confident in my travels, these practices have brought me nothing but joy in my life but I am just a little confused by this new phenomenon and would love to know what you think about it.

Concerning your example video..."UN and the Occult Agenda"

It would be a good idea if you watched Walter Veith's testimonial video link as he is the speaker in the video 'UN and the Occult Agenda' if you want to get a better idea of his background, research credentials, occult information exposure ect.

I have watched most of Walter Veith's 60+ odd videos (creation science, health, prophecy, theology, history ect) and all of his Total Onslaught series (36 videos) many times through. So I know this particular source very very well.

Putting things briefly, his father-in-law passed on a lot of high insider occult knowledge to him, he is an expert researcher previously teaching as a Professor of Zoology at one of the largest zoology departments in the southern hemisphere (at that time an atheist from a Catholic upbringing). He started to see the lack of evidence for evolutionary theory (which he taught) and began being witnessed to by a Seventh-Day Adventist. He ended up researching heavily into creation science and was able to switch his teaching from evolutionary to creation science while still at university level to a secular audience (such was the quality of his information for creation and damning evidence against evolution). Eventually he has gone on to become an Adventist preacher (not a pastor) and has traveled all over the world giving his presentations.

If you want to know why this kind of information is coming out now (or in the last decade or 2) it is because the SDA church has been given an extremely important message to present to the world concerning the final deception that Satan will carrying out very soon when he manifests himself physically to convince the masses that it is the returned Jesus. Adventist's know the main details of how this will be carried out and generally the kind of groups involved because of divine visions given to a person in our church over 150 years ago and the 25 million pages of information she wrote during her lifetime. By coincidence of God appointing this church with this unique role or by the fact that Adventist are more aware to know what to look at for, you have some of the most prominent writer's who speak out against the New Movement being Adventist's such as:

Lawyer, Constance Cumbey
- The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow: The New Age Movement and Our Coming Age of Barbarism (1983)
- A Planned Deception The Staging of a New Age "Messiah" (1986)

Former Europe & Middle East Trade Specialist for the Indiana state government, Gary Kah
- En Route to Global Occupation
- The New World Religion: The Spiritual Roots of Global Government

The New Age movement or secret societies are not the object of Adventist attack....we are here to inform about what is going on generally, what will happen in the future and how it will happen and what it means for people's lives.

Have you come across the video Aquarius: The Age of Evil before?

reply to post by JesuitGarlic


All of these things could be said about your faith, as well. But you won't, because you trust your faith more. And that's what it comes down to, isn't it? Trust. You're not basing these fears on facts, you're basing them on distaste for what you have been taught to be untrustworthy and malevolent.

In other words, you base your fears on superstition.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


My post wasn't addressed to you.

I have already told you about my religion before...I can back it up from beginning to end....you can't back up yours (as we all know).

My religion is based on facts and the content of the books of Constance Cumbey and Gary Kah are based on facts....I have read them all ...have you read any of them...No (cos you tune out to any opposing information)

Adventist's don't have fear...we have trust in God for our life and a sense of duty with the information we have.

So the words you just placed in my mouth fizzle out to nothing as usual

Go be argumentative to someone else....I am not planning on making my stay here long

reply to post by JesuitGarlic

My post wasn't addressed to you.

Obviously, I don't care.

I have already told you about my religion before...I can back it up from beginning to end....you can't back up yours (as we all know).

Yeah? Let's go. You post one fact, and I will post one fact. Judges will determine the veracity of each fact, and whomever posts three insubstantial or irrelevant facts first will lose.

My religion is based on facts and the content of the books of Constance Cumbey and Gary Kah are based on facts....I have read them all ...have you read any of them...No (cos you tune out to any opposing information)

I tune out to unhelpful information. The kind that teaches us to judge one another and degrade ourselves before some higher power. A higher power that can't be scientifically proven. Mine, however, can be. There's the difference.

Adventist's don't have fear...we have trust in God for our life and a sense of duty with the information we have.

You're supposed to fear "God". The Bible says so.

So the words you just placed in my mouth fizzle out to nothing as usual

Maybe I phrased it wrong. Here, let me fix that:

What a man believes upon grossly insufficient evidence is an index into his desires -- desires of which he himself is often unconscious. If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way.

~ Bertrand Russell

reply to post by AfterInfinity

Yeah? Let's go. You post one fact, and I will post one fact. Judges will determine the veracity of each fact, and whomever posts three insubstantial or irrelevant facts first will lose.

Older textbooks proclaim that our phylum, the Chordata, did not appear until the subsequent Ordovician period, and that this later evolution must, imply advanced status. But the Burgess Shale contains a chordate, the genus Pikaia, misidentified by Walcott as a polychaete annelid. However, Pikaia remains in limbo, for no comprehensive anatomical description has yet been published. Chen and colleagues [Chen, J.-Y., et al., "A possible Early Cambrian chordate," Nature, Vol. 377, 26 Oct 1995, pp.720-722] discovery and description of a beautifully preserved and unambiguously identified chordate from the still earlier Chengjiang fauna now seals the fate of this misguided effort in asserting specialness for our ancestry. Chordates arose in the Cambrian Explosion... The new Chengjiang chordate, Yunnanozoon lividum,... is so well preserved that its affinity within the Chordata can also be specified. Chordates are divided into three major lines - the tunicates, the cephalochordates (represented today by Amphioxus and its relatives), and the craniates (including all vertebrates). Yunnanozoon, with its metameric gonads and anteriorly extended notochord, belongs to the cephalochordates. As the authors note, the fact that one major division is already differentiated by unique characters within the Cambrian Explosion probably indicates that the other two divisions existed then as well - and that not only the phylum Chordata itself, but also all its major divisions, arose within the Cambrian Explosion.... Other discoveries continue to highlight the speed and magnitude of the Cambrian Explosion. Bowring and colleagues [Bowring, S.A., et al., "Calibrating Rates of Early Cambrian Evolution," Science, Vol. 261, 3 September 1993, pp.1293-1298] recently provided our first rigorous radiometric dates for the event -and `fast' turns out to be much faster than anyone ever thought.... The Cambrian Explosion occurred in a geological moment, and we have reason to think that all major anatomical designs may have made their evolutionary appearance at that time. Books have been written on the potential meaning of this remarkable phenomenology for revised views of evolution, ecology and development. Speculative and tendentious as much of this work may be (including my own), let us rejoice in the strangeness and elegant documentation of the phenomenology itself. Our own phylum, as Yunnanozoon proves, forms part of this universal story. " (Gould, S.J., "Of it, not above it," Nature, Vol. 377, 26 October, 1995, pp.681-682

Genesis would predict that full diversity of life form structures would be present at the bottom layer of the strata (sitting on top of the granite), that these appeared suddenly and at the same time. The most respected and best known Palaeontologists, Stephen Jay Gould, writing in the most prestigious scientific journal in the world, Nature, confirms this full diversity arising simultaneously and independently of on another at the very beginning.

The family trees that adorn our textbooks are based on inferences, however reasonable, not the evidence of fossils.
- Stephen Jay Gould. 1997. "Return of Hopeful Monsters." Natural History 89(7):50

Evolutionary trees in the textbooks do not reflect actual reality


George Gaylord Simpson 'perhaps the most influential paleontologist of the twentieth century' wrote:

It has been suggested that all animals are now specialized and that the generalized forms on which major evolutionary developments depend are absent. In fact all animals have always been more or less specialized and a really generalized living form is merely a myth or an abstraction
The Meaning of Evolution p. 326

This means there is no such thing as a simple animal that became complicated, when we look at the fossil record everything is complicated

The absence of fossil evidence for intermediary stages between major transitions in organic design, indeed our inability, even in our imagination, to construct functional intermediates in many cases, has been a persistent and nagging problem for gradualistic accounts of evolution."

Stephen Jay Gould (Professor of Geology and Palaeontology, Harvard University), 'Is a new and general theory of evolution emerging?' Paleobiology, vol.6(1), January 1980,p. 127

The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology. The evolutionary trees that adorn our textbooks have data only at the tips and nodes of their branches; the rest is inference, however reasonable, not the evidence of fossils. Yet Darwin was so wedded to gradualism that he wagered his entire theory on a denial of this literal record:

The geological record is extremely imperfect and this fact will to a large extent explain why we do not find intermediate varieties, connecting together all the extinct and existing forms of life by the finest graduated steps. He who rejects these views on the nature of the geological record will rightly reject my whole theory. (end of quote)

Darwin's argument still persists as the favored escape of most paleontologists from the embarrassment of a record that seems to show so little of evolution. In exposing its cultural and methodological roots, I wish in no way to impugn the potential validity of gradualism (for all general views have similar roots). I wish only to point out that it was never "seen" in the rocks.

Paleontologists have paid an exorbitant price for Darwin's argument. We fancy ourselves as the only true students of life's history, yet to preserve our favored account of evolution by natural selection we view our data as so bad that we never see the very process we profess to study."

Stephen Jay Gould 'Evolution's erratic pace'. Natural History, vol. LXXXVI95), May 1977, p.14.

The fossil record supports the Genesis creation account, holding the evolution account one has to believe in 'myths' and pay 'an exorbitant price...never see[ing] the process [they] profess'.

I look forward to you savaging your argument from sources who are higher than Stephen Jay Gould and being able to address the specific points that he raised.

reply to post by JesuitGarlic


Nice. Paleontological evidence supporting a single line of Genesis. Tell me how that's related to Satanism? Because so far as I can tell, your post was completely irrelevant to the topic. Strike one.

Isnt it interesting to see how the re borns ( cant call them christians, because the christians I know are Very different) are looking for Evil all over. The truth is we are what is in our hearts, and those such as the re borns are in search of Evil, so let it be known to Christ on this Full moon that ye shall recieve that that you search for. Why dont you search for the Master Jesus instead of the Evil that you crave, your all deluded ! I will say the same thing anywhere anytime in front of anyone as I have the evidence to back up what I say, so good luck to you all, we are all in search of the same thing and you dont even realize it, . Im not going to entertain this crap anymore, I thought I bleached this site of this wrong, but hey each to his own

You all think you have the answers, how do you know whom ahs had contact with Christ or an Ascended master, you people are pathetic, seriously !

reply to post by STARTRUTH49

You all think you have the answers, how do you know whom ahs had contact with Christ or an Ascended master, you people are pathetic, seriously !

You don't sound very much like a true Christian either, so maybe you should stop pointing fingers and get yourself a mirror.

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by r2d246
Buddha
Moron
JW
Satanists
Luciferians
Muslim
Hindu
Bahi
New age
Witchcraft
Spiritualism
Paganism
Masons and other secrets societies
Illuminati
Voodoo
Noris Gods
Greek mythology
Astrology

All of these and more are all Satans different religions and practices, all designed to distract humans from simply finding Jesus. Some more forthcoming than others, but all designed to distract and confuse people about who there creator is.

Thank you for alienating everybody but people just like you. You do realize that your Jesus was also a distraction for the Jews, right? He was Satan in the eyes of many.

And what the hell is a "Noris God"? Like as in Chuck? Are you calling Chuck a Satanist? You also listed "Moron" as a religion. Projecting much?

Seriously man. If you ever want to know why Christians pretend they are being "persecuted", it's because of people like you. You hate and you hate and you hate then go crying "PERSECUTION!" when somebody tells you to get bent with your judgmental cult.

Are you aware this is hate speach !!!!!!!!!! We are all Jews, freemasons, christians, occultists, healers, shaman, Hindu, Mayan and ETs, this to me is enough evidence for people to see the truth that you call us all Satanists. In our country this is considered Hate speach where is your evidence, you are disrepectiong almost everyone on this site, what kind of Christians are you people, yes the re borns, rather dark faith to call your brothers and sisters Satanists

WOULD YOU LIKE TO CHALLENDGE ME ? WHERE IS YOUR FAITH NOW

reply to post by STARTRUTH49

When someone is a hammer, all they do is look for nails.

reply to post by KSigMason


Glad to see someone " sees" the truth !

ATS seems to be infested with this lot, give these people power and they would persecute us all, im very sure of it that they are the ones in lives before that are guilty of this