Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by eriktheawful
I appreciate the effort you put into your post. And your avoidance of thread derailing strobes. However, your submission is not helpful and it is
misleading. There is no need to go to Google or Stellarium. Take a screen shot of one of the first few frames in the video and then a screen shot
around the same time of the NE web cam. Anyone of reasonable intelligence can see that the line of site is different. I had several people look at
it just to be sure that I wasn't alone in my observation.
It is true that the startling thing there is to see in the video I put up requires some knowledge of astronomy. That is in poor supply on ATS. Maybe
it's in poor supply in the general population - I don't know. But I do know that most people can see a difference in line of site if they're looking
for it. It's not really that confusing. Turn off the volume, ignore the graphics and watch the video. Then look at the same time frame on the NE
You are correct in saying that the lack of knowledge in even basic astronomy (simply knowing the planets in our solar system, and being able to step
out, look up in the night sky and at least recognize certain constellations and the names of the brightest stars) is very apparent not only on here at
ATS but also the general population, as compared to many decades ago and longer. I guess it is because people are bombarded with more distractions now
and have no need for it in today's world.
However, what I find very distressing, is it seems not a lack of knowledge in astronomy, but a lack of knowledge in geographical direction! I think I
find that even more disturbing that people can not seem to find North, South, East and West!
The maker of the YouTube video is stating that the web cam is facing North West. That it's Line Of Site is facing that direction (I'm well aware of
what LOS is considering the amount of time I've spent not only in astronomy, photography, but also weapons and radar systems in the US Navy).
I used Google Earth to show the hills that lay to the North East of the observatory. The web cam in the video is facing towards those hills. That is
it's LOS. It is facing NE, and you have even said so in your above statement.
Even if you do not do this with Google Earth, but rely on the web cam only, you can still tell that it is facing to the North East due to the
direction that the shadows move as the sun sets. If it had been looking NW, the shadows would length still, but would have moved TOWARDS the camera.
Instead, in the video, the shadows are moving and lengthening AWAY from the camera.
Anyone can go outside and watch the sun set in the west and watch what the shadows do. They'll see that they lengthen towards the east. Not the
As the sun sets in the video, you can see the stars come out and move. They are rising up from the horizon in the video and moving towards the top of
the view. That again indicates that the web cam's LOS is towards the NE.
The object in the video is the moon. It rose in that position on those dates from the web cam. There is no denying this as a fact. As the moon rises,
it appears to get brighter, and it's rising exactly where it is suppose to.
So, the maker of the YouTube video has lied about the direction of the web cam, and that is painfully obvious. It should also be painfully obvious not
because you should know astronomy, but simply because you and everyone else should know where north, south, east and west are.
And that is also the point the YouTube video maker is trying to push: that something is rising in the west, when it is very, very obvious that the
camera is not facing that direction at all.
This is your thread, and it is in Skunk Works, meaning you can be as speculative as you want with absolutely no proof at all. And if you really,
really want to believe that the video is not lying and that the object in it is Nibiru and not the moon, that is your right to believe in that.
But it saddens me quite a bit that people will believe that.
Many have stated that 2012 is not about End Of The World, but Enlightenment. But so far, I've not seen many acting that way. Ignoring what is real,
and blindly believing something, to the point where you throw out even your knowledge of where North, South, East and West is, is not enlightenment at
It's embracing ignorance so your faith in something is not removed. And again, that saddens me quite a lot.
edit on 18-10-2012 by eriktheawful
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