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posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 11:44 PM
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When you have seen as much as I have in this life including many many experiences, you may have free license to speak with candid truth, just as you feel I am doing. You don't need to believe anything but if you were wise..................perhaps your ears would perk up. The opposition comes only because people feel offense in the manner by which I speak truth in knowing. That is what is offensive to many. That is because it is truth.

We have not all traveled the same road. Some of us have been taken down the rabbit hole in more ways than you could possibly have imagined and may just know something here. We all have the right to our opinion but that includes those that have seen more as well, not by choice but because that is what was apportioned for the discovery of that which is actually taking place here. That we may warn others and do so in a warning Love.

It is always your soul that is at risk here, which in the end is absolutely EVERYTHING.

I do not take anyone's freedom from them in any way but should one listen and desire to know more then they know one of many places to go. There is beauty to the reason why we are relegated to the truth via the body. Everything is connected to that. Although we are called to live in our bodies it is here that we must be saved. No illusions and chasing spirits to inflate the lost ego.
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posted on Jan, 14 2013 @ 11:47 PM
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Originally posted by NotAnAspie

Originally posted by Egyptia
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It is a warning in love just as I would have appreciated having received such a warning instead of the many years into countless experiences derailing me in the great attempt of trying to mislead me from the one great truth of my soul. I would think that every ear would want to heed such a warning.


I do not believe anything you say. I believe your use of the word is completely empty because you have not even attempted to see through the eyes of others. You have not even attempted to admit that there may be things which you have not considered. This is no true effort of understanding in my book, it is a short sighted, impulsive, fear based conclusion that I firmly believe you arrived at without facts because of the way your conclusion presides over the entire spiritual realm and you simply do not have that authority.

I do not consider you any kind of source for reliable warnings on this or anything else for that matter.

You are VAINLY using religious talk to execute your fear based agenda against other experiencers of the spiritual and I, personally, will not excuse you.

I'm done... campaign to someone else if you must, but I'm done.


Your words seethe with anger. I struggle to understand why you attack her. She simply stated her opinion, and in turn it seems you are attacking her and doing the very thing you say she is doing. Her words were stated with a calmness and tranquility not found in your posts. I do not see where she said it's inherently evil to "leave the body", she merely stated her feelings and experiences. Why have threads if people aren't allowed to state their opinions without being viciously attacked? There are usually multiple ways to come to a certain point, and this thread is for people to talk about one interesting way. She stated she wasted a lot of time in leaving the body, and she warned others. I see nowhere that she screamed at people not to try. She simply told of HER experiences. If you don't like them, then continue out of the body and or tell some of your own positive experiences.
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posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 04:37 AM
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(Note i have never experimented in obe or lucid dreaming and know very little about the subject) Please can you elaborate on this white room, like what exactly is this place. I used to have these white room dreams when i was a little kid. For me it was terrifying as i was quite young. Its hard to explain but i will try. When i had these dreams i was completely awake in the dream but i had like a loss of senses. I couldnt feel or touch but everytime i had this overwhelming feeling which was scary to say the least. This went on for years. I would wake up petrified as i was a little kid. I havent had one since i was about 7 . Im 21 now. Please dont give me the "father" story as im not religious. I have how ever researched about different density beings and strongly believe in higher beings and planes.



posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 10:40 AM
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I will need to reference where exactly you were to give.
I will respond tomorrow.
I wont give the Father story, as I know many do not take to it.
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posted on Jan, 15 2013 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by exitusstatuquo
One thing that always concerns me when people start talking about their consciousness leaving their body is what consciousness might enter while they are absence? Nature abhors a vacuum. Something to think about when considering this type of thing.


fear will always keep u down!

nothing can enter your body and steal it from you.. it is security encrypted to accept your spirit only.



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 12:43 AM
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Ok thank you. I await your response. I have more info on different places ive been multiple times. Not white rooms. Very dark rooms.



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 07:23 PM
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Not to jump into the conversation at the last minute, but as a past life regressionist and between life regressionist, none of this makes sense to me. I have guided many people and have not had any similar experiences. There seems to be alot of ego going on here, mixed with fire, brimstone, fear and paranoia. Any
knowledge from universal consciousness is available to anyone. I haven't met any dark entities or been to any dark places. I haven't found any troublesome or misleading guides. My clients have not encountered any judgement upon to their actions., Every client that I have regressed have all been received with unconditional love. That is it, nothing more. This may seem simplistic and yes, that is exactly what it is. All of this secret knowledge, mystery, judgement, darkness etc.. is not even close to what I have encountered. Love, learning, lessons....period. God is unconditional love. Eternity is about unconditional love. Please do not get caught up in this nonsense. Live your life as a good and moral person and you will be fine. I would write that in red if I could!



posted on Jan, 16 2013 @ 07:50 PM
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I agree with you post, however your "universal question is flawed"
Negative entities will still know the answer and will not have a problem deceiving you.

Better off asking only being of the highest good to come into contact with you or have your guides protect your from such entities.



posted on Jan, 17 2013 @ 02:32 PM
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You are blessed to have experienced such love and greatness. Do you have any stories you can share?



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 10:09 PM
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Hmm, I have alot of stories, but I will try to keep my answer somewhat generic. From my experiences with clients and with myself having been regressed, the spirit realm is filled with love, guidance and healing. Upon meeting with our soul group, there is immediate recognition and unconditional love. Great soul healing can occur during this meeting. There is also clarity of our soul purpose in this life. Guidance given from spirit guides has always been loving, kind and gentle. I have had clients who attempted suicide, or had abortions or for whatever reason felt that they should be punished. They were always met with unconditional love and support. We are all on a path of learning. We are also all on different places in our journey. We would not judge a 4 year old for not having the wisdom of a 70 year old. Each person is on their own path and learning at their own rate. Our views of karma, punishment, evil and judgement have not been a component of any regression that I have done. What stays with your soul is either gained virtues through learning or the need to repeat the lessons. That is karma.



posted on May, 18 2013 @ 05:51 AM
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nothing can enter your body and steal it from you.. it is security encrypted to accept your spirit only.


You are correct on an entity not stealing your vessel, but an entity can enter in if you are removed, and a soldier does not come into guard.



posted on May, 18 2013 @ 05:52 AM
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I agree with you post, however your "universal question is flawed" Negative entities will still know the answer and will not have a problem deceiving you.


They will deceive, but can not answer in the absolute. The ones who are not guarded in this knowledge will be easily deceived, so the best course of action is the one in which you have stated.



posted on May, 18 2013 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by jhill76
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I agree with you post, however your "universal question is flawed" Negative entities will still know the answer and will not have a problem deceiving you.


They will deceive, but can not answer in the absolute. The ones who are not guarded in this knowledge will be easily deceived, so the best course of action is the one in which you have stated.


Instead of asking it would make more sense to me to just observe and judge for oneself. You don't like an entity, just hang up the phone, return back to your home, dial someone else and move on. Better yet, be prepared to meet both, be nice to the lower forms, work with their problems and have fun with the higher life forms.

For example why an answer wouldn't be sufficient, anyone can learn acting and how to say a few lines convincingly. The absolute does exist in the sense the earth revolves around the sun and knowing that, one can convincingly say it's true but once one knows how to speak like that one can repeat it just using different words like God rules. Meaning there is only individual absolute truth, it's all in the beholder or listener to credit truth to anothers' words or not.

The body/spirit/soul can't be entered, but to explain that would take too much time for me so I'm not going to go into that now. All one needs to accept it the soul is perfect unless the soul believes it isn't, that is when spiritual growth happens and the penetrators come in to test the soul. Which in the end passes since it was already perfect but some souls must see this for themselves to believe it is and once that is established one becomes immortal or invulnerable and can go anywhere unharmed, no fears, anxiety, no need for anything else because one already knows one has everything one needs, forever and it can never be taken away, it never decays only becomes more.

The testing itself isn't pleasant and it's possible the experiencer perceives the testers as negative entities, which they are to the observer, just not in the bigger picture as souls who believe they can be hurt are considered incomplete, they might convince other souls who chose other, more 'fun' or loving paths to learn about the soul. The only problem in this is the soul is infinite and testing can be done in a sec or it can take ages, it can go on forever theoretically.



posted on May, 18 2013 @ 11:07 AM
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The only problem in this is the soul is infinite and testing can be done in a sec or it can take ages, it can go on forever theoretically.


That is an important one.
Many will think they have passed a test, or can now move on to the next stage, but testing never stops. Everyone is tested, even the chief angel.



posted on May, 18 2013 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by jhill76
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The only problem in this is the soul is infinite and testing can be done in a sec or it can take ages, it can go on forever theoretically.


That is an important one.
Many will think they have passed a test, or can now move on to the next stage, but testing never stops. Everyone is tested, even the chief angel.


Just for clarity I'm not a Christian. I didn't mean like some higher power is testing souls so they might get approved and can continue. One should consider to be one's own highest power and make one's own decisions and take responsibility for it and understand everybody is the same, even if they blame others for their own misinterpretation and loss or lack of power because of that.

Testing can go on forever theoretically but if a soul has a change of heart on a particular subject it will no longer have an opening for entities so the testing would stop. Any entity would immediately understand this soul isn't to be persuaded or turned as it doesn't respond anymore and would not seek it out but instead go elsewhere to souls it can affect, a soul in doubt about a subject, one that responds to certain subjects. Meanwhile the soul continues to learn, it'll just be in a different manner as working with spirits just isn't the most pleasant in a world where the majority denies such things.

I don't believe in spiritual competition, no next stage, a soul should be happy with his or her progress regardless of what others believe progress should be and how far a soul should be considered in the grander scheme of things.
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posted on May, 18 2013 @ 03:50 PM
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Can you expand on the "Soldier" part a bit? Are they positive entities that enter a body when that soul has left (be it by a plan that the soul will leave at a certain time)?



posted on May, 19 2013 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by LOLZebra
Can you expand on the "Soldier" part a bit? Are they positive entities that enter a body when that soul has left (be it by a plan that the soul will leave at a certain time)?



There are two types of soldiers that I am referring to here. (Ones from above, and the neutral ones.)

They will inhabit, while self is gone for a time. If no solider inhabits, usually one from below will try and come to take the vessel for a ride.



posted on May, 19 2013 @ 08:42 PM
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Just for clarity I'm not a Christian. I didn't mean like some higher power is testing souls so they might get approved and can continue.


I am not a Christian either, but I understand what you mean.





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