Originally posted by andy06shake
reply to post by jhn7537
"It could always happen, but it wont"
Famous last words of the foolish!
Never say never, mate. Crap happens to everyone and charity begins at home!
Good night, its been a pleasure.edit on 14-10-2012 by andy06shake because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by lambros56
Originally posted by ConspiracyBuff
I do not drink nor do drugs, I do roll my own tobacco once in awhile, but people on assistance should not be able to use those funds for alcohol or tobacco and should also be drug tested randomly. Welfare is a privilege not a GD right...edit on 14-10-2012 by ConspiracyBuff because: (no reason given)
Have you ever been on benefits ?
I should imagine you believe everything your government and media tell you about people on benefits.
Do you feel the same about the criminal bankers and the criminal government and politicians ?
The same about every person that cheats the tax system ?
Originally posted by hollwd
reply to post by Wonderer2012
OH COME ON.. you have got to be kidding.. YOU DO NOT think that will work do you . ALL they DO NOW is go buy something they can for who ever wants to trade it for what ever they NEED.. no one can MAKE anyone do what they do not want to .. or force them to do what they DO WANT THEM TO...
Originally posted by MrWendal
This whole idea is a joke.
First of all- I am now, for the very first time in my life, collecting benefits. I lost my job on August 28th when I showed up to work just in time to find a locksmith changing the locks on the doors and my manager outside informing us as we showed up for work that we all no longer have jobs and the business was closing. I spent 4 years at this job, working 40 + hours a week.
Anyone want to guess how much I get in my benefits?
$120 per week or $480 per month.
It is not even enough to cover my rent (which is $500 per month), and I have not included the electric bill, the phone bill or the bill for my internet. Let us not make any mistake about this, I need all these utilities in order to get a job. I can not even go into a fast food place and get an application for work, it is all done online. Plus in order to continue receiving my benefits I am required to log into the unemployment office website and go through their online listing for potential jobs in addition to making 3 work contacts per week. Should I find a job, I will be contacted by phone.
I can not afford to get a drink even if I wanted one.
Also take into account, people do not receive checks for benefits anymore. It is given to you on a debit card. So any purchase I make is already known and tracked- unless I use an ATM and take cash..... for a "small fee" of course which is paid to Chase bank.
So this idea that people who are collecting benefits are wasting the money on drugs, alcohol and tobacco in my opinion is absolutely absurd. Does it happen? I am sure it does from time to time, but I would bet my left arm it is not as widespread as Politicians are leading people to believe. People who collect benefits are still people. We need to eat, we have responsibilities, we have mouths to feed and people who depend on us and bills that need to be paid. I WISH I could afford to buy some alcohol, but that would mean I wouldn't eat for the week- not that I would be missing much from my current Ramen Noodle diet or the occasional Spam sandwich.
According to the GOP we have a food stamp President. It is so easy to get food stamps today blah blah blah... guess what? I was denied food stamps even though my benefits do not cover the rent.
But let us take this a step further. Fact is unemployment benefits is an insurance. It was already paid for by my employer through State and Local taxes which then goes into a fund. Of course this is taken into account when your employer decides how much you will be paid for your services. So in a manner of speaking- as a worker, you earned it. So who is the State to decide how I spend MY money to begin with?
Dealing with the issues I deal with today has given me a whole new perspective on people who receive "hand outs' from the Government. I barely sleep anymore. I scour the internet looking for work. I apply for any and every job I can get. I apply for jobs I know full well I can't get just in case I get lucky. I have applied for jobs at Subway and McDonald's.
The only job I have been able to find is a crappy part time job for minimum wage- and it is in a Halloween store which will close November first. As a matter of fact, this job pays on a debit card, I dont even get a paycheck and I just received my pay for the two weeks I have been working this job. Wanna guess how much that was? $84.00.
So let's do some math...
Rent $500 per month
Electric $105 per month
Phone $80 per month
internet $69 per month
total: $754 per month
Benefits $480 per month
Part time job $168 per month
total: $648 per month.
And we have not even accounted for food or gasoline to get to work. Of course none of it will matter soon enough anyway when I end up in jail for not being able to pay my child support.
Alcohol, Tobacco, Drugs, Clothing? Yeah I wish!
Originally posted by Wonderer2012
Troubled families living on benefits will be legally barred from spending welfare money on alcohol and tobacco, under plans being drawn up in Whitehall.
Iain Duncan Smith has asked his officials to see if so-called ‘problem’ families should receive their welfare payments on smart cards, rather than in cash.
The cards would only be able to pay for “priority” items such as food, housing, clothing, education and health care.
The Work and Pensions secretary wants to stop parents who are alcoholics or who are on drugs from using welfare payments to fuel their addictions.
At the moment, the law does not stipulate how benefits are spent. So the law would have to be changed to make these changes.
On the one hand, I think there is some merit to stopping alcoholics spending their benefits on alcohol when children might be involved and are not being fed properly for example.
I've heard many stories of benefits being spent on drugs and other things whilst the kids are left to fend for themselves.
In that context, introducing smart cards that can only be spent on food,clothing etc sounds like a good idea.
At the same time, this would be one step for the government in taking away people's right to decide how they spend their money. Once one step is taken, even if that first step has good meaning, how many more steps are taken before they are running and changing other laws to follow suit etc.
What do people think?