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posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by ConspiracyBuff
Seems Legit.

I do not drink nor do drugs, I do roll my own tobacco once in awhile, but people on assistance should not be able to use those funds for alcohol or tobacco and should also be drug tested randomly. Welfare is a privilege not a GD right...
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Have you ever been on benefits ?
I should imagine you believe everything your government and media tell you about people on benefits.

Do you feel the same about the criminal bankers and the criminal government and politicians ?
The same about every person that cheats the tax system ?

Strange how all of the people on benefits or in low paid jobs are suddenly the scum of the earth who dont deserve to have any quality of life.
You`ve all been reeled in by the people who are actually taking every bit of dignity, rights and freedom away from us.

They`ve got us all in debt and then blame the people.
Not themselves or the bankers or industrialists.

No.....they blame us and tell us we have to do without to get the country back on it`s feet and in the meantime remind us that those at the bottom of the pile are more at fault because they can`t find work thats not there so lets not allow them to smoke or drink because they`re low life and don`t desreve NOTHING.

It just saddens me that all this crap we`re putting up with from criminal governments can be so easily turned on those in poverty.

And i know some people milk the system but to say people on benefits should only be allowed to spend their money on what a group of people have decided makes me worried about how brainwashed society is today.




posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 04:56 PM
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Well said dude!

Some level headed sense at last!



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 05:15 PM
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It's a little known fact that here in the UK anyone with a 'drink problem' gets an 'extra' daily

allowance for buying alchol



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero


What benfit is this? Not unemployment is it?


Yes, it is unemployment.


In Washington state weekly benefit amount calculations:

Average of your two highest quarters then multiplied by .0385


Every States calculations are a bit different. I used an online benefits calculator to get an idea, according to the calculator (after entering my info for specified time periods directly as it was written on my paycheck stubs) I was supposed to get $254 per week- which is the maximum allowed in my State regardless of how much money you made.


Weekly benefit amount examples:

If you were making 1100 per month or less then you would get 143 per week in benifits or 572 per month...

Sorry but this is incorrect as are most your calculations. Most States, if not all States, have a maximum benefit allowance. In my State it is $254 per week. In the State of Washington, as you use in your example, it is $454 per week. There is also no 143 weeks, in the State of Washington it is 26 weeks, much like it is for me here in Louisiana.

Going further, each State Office in Washington, as like in my State, have their own formula for deciding how much one will receive in actual benefits, then those benefits are subject to federal taxes. As I said, I used all those nice calculators you can find online, which used the known formulas based by each State's overall guidelines, and I was supposed to get the maximum- it didn't happen and if I had to guess it does not happen often.




Low income landline house phone? I think My mom pays 15 bucks per month or less. WiFi? No need for internet in the house.

Like many people with cell phones, I am locked into a contract. I would love to get a cheap landline, but in the end it would cost me thousands in fines and penalties for ending my contract early. In the end- it is not worth it and would actually put me farther into debt.

Wifi? In my State it is illegal to simply use another's wifi connection for my own personal internet, and as of 2 years ago that little secret is out in the open as the local cable/internet provider began measuring people's usage. Connecting to someone's Wifi without permission in my State in considered stealing.


I don't think the benefits people are talking about is the short term unemployment ones, but the long term welfare and others. The problem with you is that you are not doing the proven formula that many use. Have a bunch of kids and those subsidies go way up....


Unemployment benefits is a welfare. "Welfare" comes in many forms from benefits to section 8 housing to food stamps. The problem with me is not that I didn't use the "proven formula" the problem is that each State Office can use their own formula.


I'm not suggesting you do, but the system is heavily in favor of this and the single, childless person is screwed.


Well on this point I certainly agree. If one does not have custody of his/her children that makes a huge difference.


How much were you making before you lost your job?

Roughly $2500 per month.



Also, and lastly.... As we move to a Government controlled system that Obama and crew are making out as the fix (and you can see it is not) I suggest go it the old fashion way and look to community (non-government) services out there. Many Churches offer a good deal and you don't need to "believe" or be a part of their congregation.


Once upon a time this was actually an accurate statement. Not so much anymore. Many Churches in my area offer a one time payment, per year, for any type of assistance. Then you better be ready to jump through many many hoops to get it. As the old saying goes- the devil is usually in the details.
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posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero
Th OP is talking about Welfare and you are talking about unemployment...two different animals. Wefare IS "our" money.


Again- unemployment benefits is considered a form of welfare, and in many States unemployment benefits are considered unearned income when other welfare benefits are calculated.



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 05:22 PM
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It hasn't taken you long to forget that when the 'out of touch party' took over from the

former government there was an IOU left in the chancellors office by Liam Byrne (one of the

out going MP's) stating


"Sorry mate there's no money left the coffers are empty"



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 05:26 PM
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"It's a little known fact that here in the UK anyone with a 'drink problem' gets an 'extra' daily

allowance for buying alchol"

I dont think they still do that since they just chucked all the Alchies off the sick not that long ago. And also a lot of sick people as well. Ironic!
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posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 05:30 PM
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Thats like giving your kid an allowance and telling them what they can and cant buy...


Actually it's nothing like that, allowance is given for doing chores - it is earned.



So what if they are less fortunate


So what if they are, I already said I don't mind my money helping them, please explain how alcohol & tobacco helps them.



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 05:35 PM
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Its not your money mate its "There" money im afraid. That is unless you are on the bill! LoL

Tell me something do you know what money actually is? Not what is does, but what it is? I will give you a hint, in this instance wikipedia is not your friend!


I guess not - I do not know what "There" you are referring to - please elaborate.



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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"please explain how alcohol & tobacco helps them."

From the poor peoples point of view with nothing who live in the welfare state it offers them the same as anyone else, that is because they are the same! We are all people!

From "There" point of view(Goverment NWO scum) it kills them faster and controls the population also keeps them sweet and stupid(Happy)!
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posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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Money is a control construct much like organised religion, designed to keep in place the TPTB!



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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From the poor people with nothing who live in the welfare states point of view it offers them the same as anyone else, that is because they are the same! We are all people!


I agree we are all people, but I don't want the money I pay in going towards things that I don't think helps them. I think you agree that this doesn't actually help them in you next line.




it kills them faster and controls the population



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 05:55 PM
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Money is a control construct much like organised religion, designed to keep in place the TPTB!


I agree on this also - State programs are not designed to help people out of a hole, they are designed to keep good people down.



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 06:01 PM
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A friend of mine is friends with just about every convenient store owner in town, and he was telling me a while back that one of them was saying he couldn't even begin to guess how many people go into his store and pay for beer with Welfare money.

If they did implement this plan, just imagine all the millions and millions of dollars worth of benefits money which would be freed up to be used to do things like, oh I don't know, buy stuff which children need, like clothes, toothbrushes toothpaste, soap and shampoo, cold medicine, maybe even a toy or two here and there, and other such things their parents should put higher up on the priority list other than alcohol and cigarettes.



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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"I agree we are all people, but I don't want the money I pay in going towards things that I don't think helps them. I think you agree that this doesn't actually help them in you next line."

Dude please realise the money you speak off is not yours, so you dont really have a say as too where and what it will be spent on! Whether or not i agree if it helps or hinders people who live on the bread line is neither here nor there, im not so presumptuous. Ive been there before! Im not going to judge someone because they are needy and poor. I say help them, give them the bankers jobs they cant do any worse than they have.

I bet some wee ned would give me a mortgage at a rate i can pay back!

The banks sure as hell dont!!!!!
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posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by MrWendal
And we have not even accounted for food or gasoline to get to work. Of course none of it will matter soon enough anyway when I end up in jail for not being able to pay my child support.


Not to derail - but if you lost your employment and have been following the guidelines to get unemployment no judge is going to send you to jail for non compliance with a child support order.

All that said, if you just do nothing at all that very well "could" be the outcome based on where you live.

However, In most States if your income changes you have the right to petition the court to reconsider your payment amounts just as your child's mother does should you suddenly get a 6 figure job.

However, this won't do itself.

The papers are fairly easy to fill out and are likely online. Just some copies of your bills a list of assets and debts along with any "income" and you should be ok.

The amount in most States is now a fixed formula (like 20% of one's income) rather than a Judges random assessment as it used to be.

Like I said - if you do nothing you will be liable for the original amount in most cases. Can't hurt to file the petition for reduction - all they can say is no.

If you are having a hard time try finding a pro-bono father's rights group - they will help you for free or reduced cost.



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 06:13 PM
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"A friend of mine is friends with just about every convenient store owner in town, and he was telling me a while back that one of them was saying he couldn't even begin to guess how many people go into his store and pay for beer with Welfare money."

But i bet they still sold them the beer eh?

People in glass houses and all that!
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posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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Um, it's already like that?

If you have food stamps, you can't buy any alcohol or tobacco, or get this, hot food.

If you have cash benefits, that's exactly what they are, cash benefits. You can go to an atm, get cash back, and buy whatever you want.

Here is the other thing.

If you have food stamps, you get basically no cash benefits. If you get cash benefits, you basically get no food stamps.

So basically, people who need cash benefits are supposed to use it for things like, fixing a vehicle, or paying rent, etc.


This is ultimately a non issue.

If you make cash benefits, not cash -- well then, they become the same as food stamps.

And by the way, if you have food stamps and need cash, all you have to do is go grocery shopping for someone else.

How does that work? Yeah, you say hey, give me 100$ and I'll buy you 100$ worth the food.

Bam, foodstamps just became cash. You can't stop it and it's stupid to try.
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posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 06:23 PM
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posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by Laykilla
Um, it's already like that?

If you have food stamps, you can't buy any alcohol or tobacco, or get this, hot food.

If you have cash benefits, that's exactly what they are, cash benefits. You can go to an atm, get cash back, and buy whatever you want.

Here is the other thing.

If you have food stamps, you get basically no cash benefits. If you get cash benefits, you basically get no food stamps.

So basically, people who need cash benefits are supposed to use it for things like, fixing a vehicle, or paying rent, etc.


This is ultimately a non issue.

If you make cash benefits, not cash -- well then, they become the same as food stamps.

And by the way, if you have food stamps and need cash, all you have to do is go grocery shopping for someone else.

How does that work? Yeah, you say hey, give me 100$ and I'll buy you 100$ worth the food.

Bam, foodstamps just became cash. You can't stop it and it's stupid to try.
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Goodpost....Pretty much summed it all up right their...






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