'Troubled' Families Could Be Legally Banned From Spending Benefits On Alcohol And Tobacco, page 3


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reply posted on 14-10-2012 @ 04:53 PM by lambros56
Originally posted by ConspiracyBuff
Seems Legit.

I do not drink nor do drugs, I do roll my own tobacco once in awhile, but people on assistance should not be able to use those funds for alcohol or tobacco and should also be drug tested randomly. Welfare is a privilege not a GD right...
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Have you ever been on benefits ?
I should imagine you believe everything your government and media tell you about people on benefits.

Do you feel the same about the criminal bankers and the criminal government and politicians ?
The same about every person that cheats the tax system ?

Strange how all of the people on benefits or in low paid jobs are suddenly the scum of the earth who dont deserve to have any quality of life.
You`ve all been reeled in by the people who are actually taking every bit of dignity, rights and freedom away from us.

They`ve got us all in debt and then blame the people.
Not themselves or the bankers or industrialists.

No.....they blame us and tell us we have to do without to get the country back on it`s feet and in the meantime remind us that those at the bottom of the pile are more at fault because they can`t find work thats not there so lets not allow them to smoke or drink because they`re low life and don`t desreve NOTHING.

It just saddens me that all this crap we`re putting up with from criminal governments can be so easily turned on those in poverty.

And i know some people milk the system but to say people on benefits should only be allowed to spend their money on what a group of people have decided makes me worried about how brainwashed society is today.


reply posted on 14-10-2012 @ 05:15 PM by eletheia
reply to post by PurpleChiten







It's a little known fact that here in the UK anyone with a 'drink problem' gets an 'extra' daily

allowance for buying alchol



reply posted on 14-10-2012 @ 05:16 PM by MrWendal
Originally posted by Xtrozero


What benfit is this? Not unemployment is it?


Yes, it is unemployment.

In Washington state weekly benefit amount calculations:

Average of your two highest quarters then multiplied by .0385


Every States calculations are a bit different. I used an online benefits calculator to get an idea, according to the calculator (after entering my info for specified time periods directly as it was written on my paycheck stubs) I was supposed to get $254 per week- which is the maximum allowed in my State regardless of how much money you made.

Weekly benefit amount examples:

If you were making 1100 per month or less then you would get 143 per week in benifits or 572 per month...

Sorry but this is incorrect as are most your calculations. Most States, if not all States, have a maximum benefit allowance. In my State it is $254 per week. In the State of Washington, as you use in your example, it is $454 per week. There is also no 143 weeks, in the State of Washington it is 26 weeks, much like it is for me here in Louisiana.

Going further, each State Office in Washington, as like in my State, have their own formula for deciding how much one will receive in actual benefits, then those benefits are subject to federal taxes. As I said, I used all those nice calculators you can find online, which used the known formulas based by each State's overall guidelines, and I was supposed to get the maximum- it didn't happen and if I had to guess it does not happen often.



Low income landline house phone? I think My mom pays 15 bucks per month or less. WiFi? No need for internet in the house.

Like many people with cell phones, I am locked into a contract. I would love to get a cheap landline, but in the end it would cost me thousands in fines and penalties for ending my contract early. In the end- it is not worth it and would actually put me farther into debt.

Wifi? In my State it is illegal to simply use another's wifi connection for my own personal internet, and as of 2 years ago that little secret is out in the open as the local cable/internet provider began measuring people's usage. Connecting to someone's Wifi without permission in my State in considered stealing.

I don't think the benefits people are talking about is the short term unemployment ones, but the long term welfare and others. The problem with you is that you are not doing the proven formula that many use. Have a bunch of kids and those subsidies go way up....


Unemployment benefits is a welfare. "Welfare" comes in many forms from benefits to section 8 housing to food stamps. The problem with me is not that I didn't use the "proven formula" the problem is that each State Office can use their own formula.

I'm not suggesting you do, but the system is heavily in favor of this and the single, childless person is screwed.


Well on this point I certainly agree. If one does not have custody of his/her children that makes a huge difference.

How much were you making before you lost your job?

Roughly $2500 per month.


Also, and lastly.... As we move to a Government controlled system that Obama and crew are making out as the fix (and you can see it is not) I suggest go it the old fashion way and look to community (non-government) services out there. Many Churches offer a good deal and you don't need to "believe" or be a part of their congregation.


Once upon a time this was actually an accurate statement. Not so much anymore. Many Churches in my area offer a one time payment, per year, for any type of assistance. Then you better be ready to jump through many many hoops to get it. As the old saying goes- the devil is usually in the details.
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reply posted on 14-10-2012 @ 05:22 PM by eletheia
reply to post by chaztekno








It hasn't taken you long to forget that when the 'out of touch party' took over from the

former government there was an IOU left in the chancellors office by Liam Byrne (one of the

out going MP's) stating

"Sorry mate there's no money left the coffers are empty"


reply posted on 14-10-2012 @ 05:26 PM by andy06shake
reply to post by eletheia


"It's a little known fact that here in the UK anyone with a 'drink problem' gets an 'extra' daily

allowance for buying alchol"

I dont think they still do that since they just chucked all the Alchies off the sick not that long ago. And also a lot of sick people as well. Ironic!
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reply posted on 14-10-2012 @ 05:30 PM by Sostratus
reply to post by dayve



Thats like giving your kid an allowance and telling them what they can and cant buy...


Actually it's nothing like that, allowance is given for doing chores - it is earned.


So what if they are less fortunate


So what if they are, I already said I don't mind my money helping them, please explain how alcohol & tobacco helps them.


reply posted on 14-10-2012 @ 05:35 PM by Sostratus
reply to post by andy06shake




Its not your money mate its "There" money im afraid. That is unless you are on the bill! LoL

Tell me something do you know what money actually is? Not what is does, but what it is? I will give you a hint, in this instance wikipedia is not your friend!


I guess not - I do not know what "There" you are referring to - please elaborate.


reply posted on 14-10-2012 @ 05:39 PM by andy06shake
reply to post by Sostratus



"please explain how alcohol & tobacco helps them."

From the poor peoples point of view with nothing who live in the welfare state it offers them the same as anyone else, that is because they are the same! We are all people!

From "There" point of view(Goverment NWO scum) it kills them faster and controls the population also keeps them sweet and stupid(Happy)!
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reply posted on 14-10-2012 @ 05:43 PM by andy06shake
reply to post by Sostratus



Money is a control construct much like organised religion, designed to keep in place the TPTB!


reply posted on 14-10-2012 @ 05:53 PM by Sostratus
reply to post by andy06shake




From the poor people with nothing who live in the welfare states point of view it offers them the same as anyone else, that is because they are the same! We are all people!


I agree we are all people, but I don't want the money I pay in going towards things that I don't think helps them. I think you agree that this doesn't actually help them in you next line.



it kills them faster and controls the population




reply posted on 14-10-2012 @ 05:55 PM by Sostratus
reply to post by andy06shake





Money is a control construct much like organised religion, designed to keep in place the TPTB!


I agree on this also - State programs are not designed to help people out of a hole, they are designed to keep good people down.


reply posted on 14-10-2012 @ 06:06 PM by andy06shake
reply to post by Sostratus



"I agree we are all people, but I don't want the money I pay in going towards things that I don't think helps them. I think you agree that this doesn't actually help them in you next line."

Dude please realise the money you speak off is not yours, so you dont really have a say as too where and what it will be spent on! Whether or not i agree if it helps or hinders people who live on the bread line is neither here nor there, im not so presumptuous. Ive been there before! Im not going to judge someone because they are needy and poor. I say help them, give them the bankers jobs they cant do any worse than they have.

I bet some wee ned would give me a mortgage at a rate i can pay back!

The banks sure as hell dont!!!!!
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reply posted on 14-10-2012 @ 06:13 PM by andy06shake
reply to post by jeramie


"A friend of mine is friends with just about every convenient store owner in town, and he was telling me a while back that one of them was saying he couldn't even begin to guess how many people go into his store and pay for beer with Welfare money."

But i bet they still sold them the beer eh?

People in glass houses and all that!
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