'Troubled' Families Could Be Legally Banned From Spending Benefits On Alcohol And Tobacco

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posted on Oct, 16 2012 @ 03:31 AM
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Originally posted by andy06shake
Your own sister, how can you live with yourself! Your Mother must be so proud. Didn't anyone ever tell you not to klype? For all the tea in China i would never do such a thing.

I seriously hope thats just an idle remark because thats low dude!

Whats wrong with this world??? How far we have fallen!!!
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Originally posted by Stevie777
as far as my "How very nice of you remark" goes, yeah, i think "Dobing" your sister in was wrong...i'll bet she's still wondering who did it....did you warn her first or did you just phone the confidential hotline, leave her details and slither off into the night..??


It's neither low, nor did I slither off into the night.

She got fair warning from me, but continued to claim £850 a month in housing benefit, plus the raft of others she gets (two kids by two fathers) when her new boyfriend moved in who was earning the better part of £40k a year. They paid no rent, no council tax, got a massive cash amount every month and even stole the electricity by jigging the meter.

I think it's worse that people like you would defend and even protect such behaviour. Ironic, considering both of you have been quite vociferous on the topic.

Needless to say, she was actually quite grateful I grassed her up as it forced her to sort her life out, where as before she was just yet another benefit scrounging single mother, she is now self-employed and making decent scratch on the level.

So, in conclusion, I would recommend you don't judge me (or anyone) without being in possession of all the facts, which neither of you are.




posted on Oct, 16 2012 @ 03:40 AM
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There are no facts that would make me grass on anyone nevermind an immediate family member. Possesion of all the facts??? Fact is your a grass! From your own admission! Im out this thread just developed a funny smell.

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posted on Oct, 16 2012 @ 03:54 AM
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As far as Judging someone i dont know...
I think your profile says everything i need to know about you.....Labour hater, Glorious Enguuurland and all that....TORY, Daily Mail reader Through and through....

if what you say here about your Sister and her boyfriends level of Fraud then they should have been jailed...people have committed less benefit fraud and been jailed for it..So feel free to post up a newspaper clipping or something to prove your claims...
Also, I feel so sorry for your sister for being related to a Snake like you..."Single mother with Two Kids to two different fathers".....that statement alone say's it all about how much respect you have for you own Family members and how YOU Judge them.......

Here's one for your Glorious Enguuuurlund...Little Prince Harry "two fathers" Hewitt...kept "in luxury" by the state...go on Report that one.


I'm out of here...I feel dirty being in the same room as this Viper.



posted on Oct, 16 2012 @ 03:57 AM
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Then you are a hypocrite and have lost any credibility you may have had.

You cannot be on here saying people on benefits need the money and bemoaning the Government for trying to reduce the costs while at the same time defending cheats and categorically saying you would never grass up a fraudster. At least I have my principles and stick to them, you seem to be shifting goal posts around.



posted on Oct, 16 2012 @ 04:05 AM
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A rather sanctimonious little bugger, aren't you? Love the assumptions too. I love England, so therefore I must be some idiot skinhead chanting ENGERLAND and reading the Mail? Couldn't be further from the truth, matey.

And no, people don't get jailed all the time and in fact, by and large, they just get made to pay back any benefits they weren't entitled too. In this case, during the interview, she admitted her boyfriend had lived there for a month (when it was actually about 6-7 months) and she not got round to letting them know. They decided to actually let it slide in return for her paying back months worth of housing and council tax benefit as it was not worth a prosecution over, in their eyes.

Funnily enough, while you both are deriding me for being a snake/viper (nothing at all like that, everything I do is open and honest - I hide nothing) I have just this second got off the phone to my sister who is baking a cake for my daughters birthday, so quite frankly I couldn't give a flying duck what you pair of hypocrites think, as clearly she doesn't think ill of me.



posted on Oct, 16 2012 @ 04:14 AM
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Originally posted by stumason
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Then you are a hypocrite and have lost any credibility you may have had.

You cannot be on here saying people on benefits need the money and bemoaning the Government for trying to reduce the costs while at the same time defending cheats and categorically saying you would never grass up a fraudster. At least I have my principles and stick to them, you seem to be shifting goal posts around.


Im Scottish we like shifting goal posts from one location to another. Just a shame we are so crap at the great game. LoL

I am a hypocrite yes, show me a Man thats not been a hypocrite at some point or another!

Ive lost my credibility??? Look in the mirror, if you can that is!!! They say that to err is human, but some errors cannot be forgiven. And grassing is one of them im afraid! You say that you sister has forgiven you, shes probably terrified of you!

You sure do have those principles down!
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posted on Oct, 16 2012 @ 04:17 AM
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Over time laws have come into being to protect the innocent and vulnerable from those

who would steal, kill, commit fraud and other 'petty crimes'

Misdemeanors committed by people do not become 'lesser' crimes when they are

committed by family members...

Fraud is still fraud...

Theft is still theft...

Murder is still murder...

Who ever commits it...and it dosen't become a lesser crime because it is committed by a

family member!



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posted on Oct, 16 2012 @ 04:41 AM
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Fraud? What about tax avoidance? What about Libor? Biggest scam in history ripping the entire planet off. Have we all forgotten about the duck houses moats ect Elected officials who rob us daily and help their cronies in the banking industry? We need a **cking revolution and to oust these muppets out of govt. Nothing but a bunch of two faced lying a$$holes. Camoron and his gang of high class a$$holes need a mandella neck tie. Or suspened from the nearest lamp post. Labour liberal tory they are all the same. Vote for none of them. Hang em high...
I dont get it people on here arguing and falling out, about the `plebs` scamming a few quid here and there. Yet on a daily basis these elitest types in govt are pulling our pants down and shafting us to the hilt.
Viva la revolution



posted on Oct, 16 2012 @ 04:48 AM
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I totally agree. The same must apply at the top as to the bottom.

I have been campaigning (with others on here and elsewhere) to try and get some sort of galvanisation to change the system..

Unfortunately, apathy rules.



posted on Oct, 16 2012 @ 04:56 AM
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I dont think its about the money at all.

I think its about govts ability to aquire private information on its citizens.

Not good.

privacy rights may be violated with this idea.

prove me wrong, and I will call myself a liar.



posted on Oct, 16 2012 @ 05:03 AM
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Originally posted by Common Good
I dont think its about the money at all.

I think its about govts ability to aquire private information on its citizens.

Not good.

privacy rights may be violated with this idea.

prove me wrong, and I will call myself a liar.


Excellent point! Its all about information gathering in the end.

It will be security tags on everything and everone, Scanners at ever cornor soon enough. That is unless we wake up!



posted on Oct, 16 2012 @ 05:43 AM
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It will be security tags on everything and everone, Scanners at ever cornor soon enough. That is unless we wake up!


And perhaps a cashless society where every transaction made can be monitored and recorded.....and used against you.



posted on Oct, 16 2012 @ 05:58 AM
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It grieves me to say but it appears very much something of a fait accompli and those who are suffering most due to the policies and incompetencies of the politicians, bankers and industrialists are now deemed the most worthless in our society and are castigated and vilified by the majority.

I wonder how long until they are further demonised as contributing nothing to society and deemed unworthy and undeserving of their right to vote?



posted on Oct, 16 2012 @ 06:05 AM
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Well I think this is a good idea... this is what will get people off the dole in my opinion... Most people I know spend the money on smoke rather than food, so they'll live on beans on toast and spend the rest on getting high.

The money shouldn't be spent on drugs (legal or illigal), it's supposed to be what's called "job seekers" and is money to keep you ticking over with free food while you get your self another job.

The thing is though, if your an alcoholic and go cold turkey you can die... plain and simple!



posted on Oct, 16 2012 @ 06:11 AM
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It peeves me a lot when people say that I should move to find a job. I don't have a job, I can't afford to move, and don't have the money to commute either, and when I start to claim Jobseekers, that is not enough to buy food and rent.

Unemployment figures correct or not, the fact is there will still never be enough jobs. Perhaps they should consider giving jobs back to humans instead of machinery, which of course would probably not happen.

Still, besides all this, I was commenting on the "it isn't their money" attitude, because people like myself who have paid thousands in taxes and other contributions deserve a little help when our situation turns dire. I believe in the whole "support yourself" ideology, but also believe that those that have supported themselves throughout their life have shown the ethic that deserves a little help, that's what taxes are for, people have worked and their wage is taken away for the good of society, and benefits are one of the reasons.

I do agree though, that it should be made into a more flawless system rather than straight up cash, I'd happily receive something like a food card, anything that prevents benefits being spent on useless things.


 
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posted on Oct, 16 2012 @ 06:18 AM
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Originally posted by domasio
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It peeves me a lot when people say that I should move to find a job. I don't have a job, I can't afford to move, and don't have the money to commute either, and when I start to claim Jobseekers, that is not enough to buy food and rent.


Pay rent? You get a free house on job seekers? Or is it that you live in something bigger than you need and have to pay the extra?
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posted on Oct, 16 2012 @ 06:37 AM
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Sorry, I didn't mean to peeve you off, it was an honest question.

If I may, can I now ask what is stopping you looking further afield for work, getting it and then moving? Personally, I've worked all over, taking jobs from Cornwall, Essex, Wales and the Midlands.

Look at it this way, during the Industrial Revolution people moved where the work was, which is the main reason many towns even exist today. Somewhere a long the way, people lost this motivation.

As for your comment about there not being enough jobs for everybody, that's basic economics. The only way you'll get "full employment" is with a Soviet style command economy. If everybody had a job in our economy, wage inflation would be rampant (as companies would be crying out for workers), we'd cease to be competitive (even more so) and we'd all be out of a job.

Unfortunately, there will always be a certain amount of unemployed, but this ceases to be a major issue provided there are enough people in employment to support them.



posted on Oct, 16 2012 @ 07:48 AM
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It could always happen, but it wont... And even if i was in a bad financial situation i would never want handouts from the Govt.... Too proud, I prefer to earn my own keep... i will NEVER be dependent on anyone else...


Are you kidding me with that reply? You pretty much just secured yourself the opportunity--to prove yourself [karmetically speaking]


Short story; I was upper middle income [middle by todays standards], but in the blink of an eye I was poor. I'm now physically disabled and living off of disability. Nobody should take anything for granted, and certainly never say never


If you remember those two things you might be alright.



posted on Oct, 16 2012 @ 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by MrWendal


Umm actually it is not YOUR money. It was the employers money that goes into the unemployment insurance fund.


Th OP is talking about Welfare and you are talking about unemployment...two different animals. Wefare IS "our" money.


Sorry but not really your money... once the government gets the money it is their money not yours and then when they give it to someone else then it becomes their money .... just because one is a taxpayer doesn't mean you maintain "claim" over money taken by them from taxes for forever.....

SO what are you doing with the employers money (your paycheck)? If your ownership claim of the taxed money is true then your employer also has claim to the money he paid you and can demand that you not buy a competitor products and can demand you buy any product he wishes?

There will always be fraud. You can not stop it. Would you buy something for half price if you could? I have seen food stamps being traded for rent and cash before and the standard rate is 50 cents on the dollar. The card is an inconvenience but it will never stop fraud.

The banks have stolen more money from the people than the poor ever will yet there is little or no call for real regulations and penalties. The corporations are stealing hundreds of billions while poor people get a few thousand but it the poor who are persecuted.

I would also bet that the one calling for the more socialism in the food stamp program would scream loudest when the government would demand how they spend money.
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posted on Oct, 16 2012 @ 09:08 AM
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Starbucks have taken full advantage of loopholes within UK tax laws and have failed to pay a single penny in UK tax for the last three years.
This follows on from news that Amazon didn't pay any UK tax last year and Facebook paid a whopping £238,000 on £20.4million sales despite raking in an additional £275million in advertising revenue.

HMRC has absolutely no intention of seeking any additional tax payments from these and many other companies.

www.independent.co.uk...

But of course that's all alright - but let's make sure we drastically reduce our welfare payments to the old, needy, infirm, disadvantaged and plain unfortunate and pay those 'plebs' who should consider themselves so lucky to have a job a measly wage that barely provides for a subsistence level existence.
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