reply to post by SuperSeaver
I like how you begin your post "...should be the land of the free". Of course it "should be". On that basis you do seem to be aware that the idealism
of the Constitution, etc are not being lived up to in the U.S.
The U.S is just what it is. I have only my impression of what it is as someone living in the United Kingdom.
All I can say is I am profoundly influenced by American art. Men like Ezra Pound, T.S Eliot (both were born in the U,S), Bob Dylan (yes he a MAJOR
American poet as I am sure time will prove), Woody Guthrie, and many many more have been welcome teachers in my life. I am also aware that there is so
much diversity in the U.S that it would be very hard in reality to say what it actually is. Should it just be confined to the narrow definition of the
The U.S has been very destructive to the rest of the world, of that I am sure. The true statistics are terrifying in terms of genocide of Native
Americans and war casualties.
I don't think the U.S has ever really been the land of the free; the nearest it ever came to that was when there were only Native Americans living
there. The War for Independence, The Civil War, The Dustbowl Storms, Wild West Law of The Gun have kept the U.S in a constant state of turmoil and
restriction of one kind or another.
Seems to me like the ideals are still intact. I doubt those ideals can ever be lived up to by any state. There are no states in history I have ever
read about who achieved that.
Like Woody sang,
"This Land is your land, this Land is my Land
This Land was made for you and me".
Go tell Obama and Romney about that. Any notion of freedom was asssasinated alongside Abraham Lincoln, J.F.K, Martin Luther King and all the other men
of ideals. Instead men like Albert Pike, Edgar Hoover, Henry Kissinger and George Bush Snr got to do their much less imaginative and much more
murderous thing there!
edit; In one word I believe that FEDERALISM is the enemy of the U.S. Kennedy and Lincoln were well bloody right about that. So was Ezra Pound. Read up
on Ezra Pound. It will answer a lot of questions.
edit on 14-10-2012 by Revolution9 because: extra bit.