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Metaphysical template of society?

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posted on Oct, 13 2012 @ 10:31 PM
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I really do believe God wants human diversity; he wants the Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Muslims etc; all these differentiations which have occurred throughout human history have objective merit, and certainly shows the very different yet all equally compelling approaches towards divinity, and even more interestingly, these differentiations seem to conform to metaphysical principles like: Right, East, allude to 'beginnings' because the sun - indicative of the source - rises in the east. Therefore, the east would be in 'proximity' to the source, or, understood in terms of metaphysics, would cultivate a philosophy which focuses on nonduality, gnosis, or the "Tao". When the Sun sets in the west, and so likewise when you go to our planets west, you get the exact opposite: the natives of the America cultivate a very deep and rich spiritual connection between themselves and the earth; l I don't think a better example exists to show this. So, the sun 'sets' in the west. And the western folk of humankind cultivate a religious awareness of divinity within nature. Now, in between these two poles, you have the influence of Judaism, both in the 'western' kind, in Christianity, and the ‘eastern’ kind in Islam. Both surprisingly cohere to an ethos which reflects monotheism from a nondualistic perspective i.e. Islam, and a western perspective, which sees God become man i.e Christianity! Is that not amazing? And then in between you have the Jews, the central focus of humanity (a fact)....They were mostly responsible for directing mans religious consciousness to a unified source, which, when coupled with the practicalities of Greek empiricism, led to the founding of the modern order.

The Jews are by far the most productive people this planet knows. They have produced over a quarter of all Nobel prize winners, almost all in science categories. Baruch Spinoza, Albert Einstein, Neils Bohr (half jewish), Karl Marx, Sigmund Freud, Alfred Adler, Abraham Maslow, Viktor Frankl, etc etc. And never mind the ridiculous stat of 90% of all Jews being university graduates.

Don't get the idea that im 'bigging' up the Jews for the kick of it. I'm just trying to accurately present the uniqueness of this people. Don't worry, I'm not about to attribute to them any greater power or authority. Judaisms contribution to humanity has been a certain way of looking at things, which, in a world amongst pagan moral relativists who abjure the reality of the physical world, is a sorely needed value to bring 'balance'. It's main function amongst mankind, in terms of values, IS it's values. It's moral way of seeing things clarifies, and like the angels hand stopping Abraham from slaying Isaac, restrains our lewder instincts.

It's no more than a check. It is not there to promote a society of 'moralists', but rather, to stand as a presence to the rest of the world of a standard which should not be forgotten, i.e. goodness, kindness, respect for elders, respect for sexuality, etc. And, no doubt, you will rebut, rightfully, that all other religions do the same thing, and you would be right. But, this is an issue of degrees of emphasis, since, as said, as things move from east to west, the metaphysical energies of each region produce a different conscious perception of metaphysical reality to each people. Consequently, when you reach the domain of Shia Islam, from Hindu adjoined Pakistan, through Iran, Iraq, parts of Syria and Lebanon, you get the ecstatic mystical approach of self transcendence (consistent with metaphysical property of right, east with 'nondualism', self transcedence), as demonstrated in the festival of Ashoura, whereas in Saudi Arabia, Palestine, Egypt and North Africa you have a more stringent and law bound Sunni Islam. The more westward you go, you reach a different way of viewing things which takes regard of the universal, or cosmos, but with an empirical attitude of investigation, this being Greek Philosophy.

I find this all extremely convincing that there might be some evidence here for a future unified mankind which encourages differences and see's in diversity the key to human solidarity. My own self understanding does not and should not prevent me from enjoying your own understanding of your own self worth; both culturally, linguistically, and religiously.

Things are perfect as they are, but it won't become cognized until mankind appreciates the metaphysical unity which binds us in universal harmony. Once that becomes known, mankind will stand in awe before the universal order, living in peace and kindness, like in the prophecy of Isaiah

The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them.

And a little child, is the sorely needed trait of humility.

Humility, with knowledge, can truly create a good world.

Also, as for Judaism and it's primacy, its in its personal dimension with God that energizes their relationship, and so, the many abilities Jews seem to possess in greater concentration than gentiles. Imagine a circle with successive in circles. It'll produce a picture of circles within circles. In this scheme, the outermost circle is the cosmos, whereas the inner most circle is the individual, first person perspective of the human being.

It was the Jews who introduced this novel, and to many people, completely irrational approach towards connecting with the divine. But to the Jews, mans ability to talk to God as if he were a person represented a metaphysical possibility; it was something God hardwired into his world, just as he hardwired the world itself. Therefore, it's in this intimate embrace between man and God, which the Jews epitomize, which explains their historical influence in religion, finance, philosophy, science, medicine etc.

My great fear in explaining this is people getting emotional and thinking that I'm allotting a metaphysical superiority to the Jews.. It needn't be understood that way. Even if we did 'posit a metaphysical 'source', it only refers to a present reality, to the fact that Jews have historically been very productive, and they do succeed in larger ratio than non-Jews, and they also have lesser incidence of alcoholism, mental illness and suicide. These are just facts.

I don't get jealous of someone else because he is more productive than me. That doesn't matter. I'm a capitalist and liberal who believes everyone should live as they feel; just as all live in a unique way, people also have unique capacities. Some are taller, and so are 'tall' their whole lives. Others are shorter and so are "shorter" their whole lives. These feelings influence your attitude towards the world, yet they don't have enough power to change the fact that I am in control of how I feel. The "I" which has the power to act, is freedom. Capitalism rewards innate talent, and work ethic. Socialism wipes away all human difference.

So these ideas are all consonant: capitalism, liberal democracy, nation states, differences in religious approaches, differences in skin color.

Difference is so incredibly beautiful and wonderful. A unity exists behind this difference, but the unity has no right to impose a rigorous 'you must think' this or that way on each mind, as the NWO threaten to do the world. The religious approaches of Hinduism, Buddhism, etc are all validated by their natural proclivity, nevertheless, universal values should be hinged on what the Jewish religion has emphasized most: kindness to the stranger, respect for elders, condemnation of murder, of theft, of adultery (which invades the unique relationship between one man and another women) of harming animals or nature.

This is all this world needs. Basic decency, and with that, give each and hers their own unique religious approach, as has developed organically over the millenia
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posted on Oct, 13 2012 @ 10:42 PM
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The Jews are by far the most productive people this planet knows. They have produced over a quarter of all Nobel prize winners, almost all in science categories. Baruch Spinoza, Albert Einstein, Neils Bohr (half jewish), Karl Marx, Sigmund Freud, Alfred Adler, Abraham Maslow, Viktor Frankl, etc etc. And never mind the ridiculous stat of 90% of all Jews being university graduates.


Why did you choose to use number of Jewish Nobel prize winners as measure of productivity. Neils Bohr theory of quantum enery levels around nucleas, and Albert Einstiens theory of relativity are getting a bit dated, and i wont be surprised if one day completely obsolete. When that happens will people in hindsight say they were productive? Please pick a better metric for productivity.



posted on Oct, 13 2012 @ 10:49 PM
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I agree, the world can be unified together and still remain diversified in belief and culture, it could be achieved by everyone learning to be more tolerant. Is someone's belief hurting me on a personal level, no, so then why should I deny them the freedom to enjoy their belief? Sometimes people just care FAR too much about what other people believe.

Of course there are the occasions of religious extremism in all belief systems. Maybe it comes from our own lack of understanding other people's beliefs.



posted on Oct, 13 2012 @ 10:53 PM
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How can you consider past efforts to further knowledge unimportant simply because the frontier has moved on since their contributions?

Sure, Bohr may have been wrong about circular orbits for electrons, but he was quite right about the quantum energy levels.

And how can you say that general relativity is dated? It may be incomplete in places but it stands up to our tests in most cases and it is a framework that much of the science since then has built from.

Get over yourself. I personally don't deride dead people and their works simply because I have the gift of hindsight.

As for a better metric, how about Ashkenazi Jews having an average IQ of 107 to 115?
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posted on Oct, 13 2012 @ 11:01 PM
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I acknowledge their contribution, the thing that bothers me is using them as the metrics of progress. People doing stuff every day is progress. If somebody takes a step forward into greater self awarness thats progress, and how many individuals have done that since the atom was split, what % of the worlds populus. Even if 5% its progress. Progress & Productivity doesnt and shouldnt be measured by one attribute alone.



posted on Oct, 13 2012 @ 11:05 PM
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Get over yourself.


I went one step better i jumped your post. lol:





As for a better metric, how about Ashkenazi Jews having an average IQ of 107 to 115?



Nice score but history shows us it didnt help them survive the Nazis who im certain had lower IQ...



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posted on Oct, 13 2012 @ 11:14 PM
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Why did you choose to use number of Jewish Nobel prize winners as measure of productivity. Neils Bohr theory of quantum enery levels around nucleas, and Albert Einstiens theory of relativity are getting a bit dated, and i wont be surprised if one day completely obsolete. When that happens will people in hindsight say they were productive? Please pick a better metric for productivity.


As I emphasized in my post, my metaphysical postulation is based upon present realities.

When the world changes, than the metaphysical pattern can likewise said to be different.



posted on Oct, 13 2012 @ 11:33 PM
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I acknowledge their contribution, the thing that bothers me is using them as the metrics of progress.


Who said anything about progress? You are conflating productivity - which they have been - and the idea of 'progress'. Productivity refers to the past, what one has done, whereas progress is forward thinking and measures itself with regard to the past and the future.

They are two different concepts. The Jews have been and continue to be - in the form of Israel, which has given us such modern amenities as cell phones, computer chips etc, incredibly productive. But in regard to 'progress', I don't know what you even mean by that. Nor is it relevant to the overall idea of my thread of Jews possessing a certain 'energy' which inclines them to respond this way.

I can also attribute other special talents, which I did in emphasizing the metaphysical knowledge of Hindu civilization, which is absolutely unparalleled. The Hindu civilization is intrinsically - according to this theory - attracted to the metaphysical, but in a particularly systematic way. And the more 'north' you go, particularly with regard to Tibet, which is very 'mountainous' you encounter a society of people which have reached the greatest heights in spiritual understanding - in regards to the 'nondualist' perspective, perceiving things in it's most rarefied form.

Of course, the center, which Israel seems to be in terms of geography, emanates lessons or ideals to the outer parts, or peripheral, which sees things outside the context of the individual perspective. But that doesn't negate the uniqueness of each coordinate. Each relates some unique aspect of universal divinity. The only thing they need imbibe from the perspective of the "ego" - or Israel - is the necessity of moral living in physical society. Similarly, Hindu civilization provides a certain type of knowledge lacking in Israel, and Greece too provides a healthy skepticism which contributes to human practicality.

This is not to say everything is good, for instance, Islamism, socialism etc; once we can rid ourselves of totalitarian tendencies and gross nihilism, we can very well sustain a universal peace



posted on Oct, 13 2012 @ 11:42 PM
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I believe that you place the Human aspect of Planetary Balance on too high a level. The Planet is a SELF CORRECTING SYSTEM! It has and always will bring itself back into balance regardless of what Life Form happens to live on it at any specific time. Split Infinity



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