reply to post by wildtimes
You are very correct that each of us are finding our way through life with no instructions from birth. This is primarily because we are not alone in
this quest. When Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father but by me," he was referring to God raising Him in
the wilderness, not us alone. We make this life about us. It isn't about us and none of the words in the Bible are for individuals, but the whole
body. All of this is about Christ. The Son of God is that body in unity, but us in multiplicity. The way is how we proceed on the path. The Truth
is virtue and love. The life is how we arrived here. Accepting that the Son of God is the way, the truth and the life is not as relevant as knowing
that we are all Him. Just as God gave part of Himself to make the Son, so the Son makes up all of us.
Was Jesus the first begotten son of God? Yes. Was Jesus the Father Adam and the Father Abraham? Yes. Was He the Son Issac and the Son Jesus? Yes.
Is He you and me? Yes. Perfection only came into a life once. That one life raises us all back to God.
1 Colossians 1:
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on
earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is
before all things, and in him all things hold together.
What part of this verse is hard to understand? The Son is the First Image.
1:27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.
The first image in material form was Adam, created by the Son, or image of the invisible God. All things hold together from this first image. Now,
examine communion and the bread and wine.
1 Corinthians 10
14 Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. 15 I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. 16 Is not the cup of thanksgiving
for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17 Because
there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.
We are all broken from the same loaf. We are many, Christ is one. The cup that was poured out for us is the same cup that was poured out at the
beginning to break unity into multiplicity so that there could be more Sons and daughters. We will return to unity. There is only one way to the
Father (Original Unity) and that way is Christ dying on the cross for mankind. He was broken and bruised for our transgressions, which is symbolic of
The various philosophical views concerning the Primal Man are, in spite of their differences, intimately related, being a compound of widespread
mythology, Greek philosophy, and rabbinical theology. Around the late first century BC, Arius Didymus wrote in Concerning the Opinions of Plato:
"Ideas are certain patterns arranged class by class of the things which are by nature sensible, and that these are the sources of the different
sciences and definitions. For besides all individual men there is a certain conception of man ... uncreated and imperishable.
And in the same way as many impressions are made of one seal, and many images of one man, so from each single idea of the objects of sense a multitude
of individual natures are formed, from the idea of man all men, and in like manner in the case of all other things in nature.
Also the idea is an eternal essence, cause, and principle, making each thing to be of a character such as its own."
"The first to use the expression "original man," or "heavenly man," was Philo, in whose view the γενικός, or οὐράνιος
ἄνθρωπος, "as being born in the image of God, has no participation in any corruptible or earthlike essence; whereas the earthly man is made
of loose material, called a lump of clay." The heavenly man, as the perfect image of the Logos, is neither man nor woman, but an incorporeal
intelligence purely an idea; while the earthly man, who was created by God later, is perceptible to the senses and partakes of earthly qualities.
Philo is evidently combining philosophy and Midrash, Plato and the rabbis. Setting out from the duplicate Biblical account of Adam, who was formed in
the image of God (Genesis 1:27), and of the first man, whose body God formed from the earth (Genesis 2:7), he combines with it the Platonic doctrine
of ideas; taking the primordial Adam as the idea, and the created man of flesh and blood as the "image."
Wikipedia has more on this topic, but God is raising His Son and His Son is raising us. The Son is the new Father or Lord From Genesis 2 to the end.
Genesis 1 is the first creation of the image. Genesis 2 is the 2nd creation of the image in material form. Two creations stories of the same event.
Paradise and Material. We are the new Fathers on a microcosmic scale in material form before transcending to paradise. There are five baptisms to
overcome listed. We will all raise to new life with the Son. Consult the link in my signature on the five baptisms.
We are all the same loaf with Christ if we willingly place ourselves into His name. The gift that is given had to first be earned. It is then given
away. The thieves will not gain this inheritance if they separate from Christ. It's a choice.
We are all symbolic of the thieves on the cross. While we were here in the material world, we express the will to take. God can only give and
receive. One thief repents and the other runs away in their own pride. There is one way back and that way is humility before God and through His
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