Banning the word 'fatty' is an insidious attempt at politically correct thought control

reply to post by Superhans

Do you think it is correct that people should be discriminated against and made feel bad because of their weight.

No, but I also think people should not crap their pants. With that said I don't think we should have people that crap their pants thrown in jail.

Please explain what you are meaning here. I think you are saying people should not be discriminated against but we should do nothing about it if they are...

I am not fat. I do not crap my pants when people call other people. I do however understand that it can be hurtfull. Heck I had a friend that killed himself because he got bullied about his weight. The best you can come out with is we have the right to freedom of speech. Yes you have. Let me give you another one. Freedom of expression. Throw their sorry butts into prison...!

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by Superhans

 

Do you think it is correct that people should be discriminated against and made feel bad because of their weight.

No, but I also think people should not crap their pants. With that said I don't think we should have people that crap their pants thrown in jail.

Please explain what you are meaning here. I think you are saying people should not be discriminated against but we should do nothing about it if they are...

I am not fat. I do not crap my pants when people call other people. I do however understand that it can be hurtfull. Heck I had a friend that killed himself because he got bullied about his weight. The best you can come out with is we have the right to freedom of speech. Yes you have. Let me give you another one. Freedom of expression. Throw their sorry butts into prison...!

The freedom of speech is all I need its not the best I can do. but okay so you are saying they have the freedom of expression? You are right they do however once again there is a huge difference. When you throw someone in jail for speech you are taking that right away from them. If I call a person fat,fatty,lard brain, double wide, chubby, chub chub or anything else they are still free to do whatever they want my words will not stop them from expressing themselves while throwing someone in jail would

reply to post by Superhans

Words only have as much power as you give them, if they really are that strong to you it only means you have a weak mind.

Words are very powerful....."In the beginning was the Logos.. think about that before you reply... Wars are won and lost with the power of words.. If you do not understand that go and study some of the greatest leaders of human kind.. I am sure you will agree even within remit of your mental digression.. The pen is mightier than the sword....

That is a great appeal to emotion however there is a whole thread on that girl and there was a bit more to it than just words. Like child porn staring her being distributed and her getting the crap beaten out of her at school, more to it than words. Try again

Do not try and side step me.I am bringing it to this thread because it has relevance here too.. Ambiguity on your part will not help either: ' there was a bit more to it than just words.' there is more too everything but words. You are not saying anything. Give me some marrow..! Do you not think words affected this child. Do you not think that if words had been used differently the outcome might have been different.....

If you think words have no affect on people or just the weak minds.. Why do you even bother commenting here on ATS are you just trying to influence the weak of mind...

No hard feeling me gave you stars...

reply to post by purplemer


all I'm seeing is a bunch of rhetoric to cover up every point I made the only person sifde stepping is you. You are quoting books and bringing up other thread to avoid the topic. You even try to throw in personal attacks

reply to post by Superhans


Thank you for your reply.but dont beat about the bush with me sunshine. If you think I am not addressing your points. List them and I will address everyone.. You have made little in the way of valid points and those you have tired to have been answered.

I would like to point out for someone who thinks that words affect the weak of mind or as much credence as you give them. That my words are having an affect on you... The proof is in the pudding is it not..

Originally posted by purplemer
Because we live in a society where is deemed sexy to walk around like a stick insect. As I said in my previous post discriminating against people because of their weight is no different from discriminating against colour. You might as well be sticking up for a bunch of KKK..

I'm glad that most people can see the difference between someone calling someone fat and someone being a member of the KKK.

Seriously, can you not?

Originally posted by purplemer
Heck I had a friend that killed himself because he got bullied about his weight. The best you can come out with is we have the right to freedom of speech. Yes you have. Let me give you another one. Freedom of expression. Throw their sorry butts into prison...!

I'm sorry to hear that your friend killed himself due to bullying.

Nonetheless, few people would agree that a proportionate response to the problem of bullying in schools would be to make the use of the word 'fat' a criminal offense, as you suggest.

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by Superhans

 

Thank you for your reply.but dont beat about the bush with me sunshine. If you think I am not addressing your points. List them and I will address everyone.. You have made little in the way of valid points and those you have tired to have been answered.

I would like to point out for someone who thinks that words affect the weak of mind or as much credence as you give them. That my words are having an affect on you... The proof is in the pudding is it not..

edit on 14-10-2012 by purplemer because: (no reason given)

More rhetoric in an attempt to derail the thread.

reply to post by ollncasino

Nonetheless, few people would agree that a proportionate response to the problem of bullying in schools would be to make the use of the word 'fat' a criminal offense, as you suggest.

Particularly those who compiled the report and the contents of which you've studiously and bravely ignored.

You've trolled this straw man through several pages and flogged it to death. Bravo!

Originally posted by Kandinsky

Particularly those who compiled the report and the contents of which you've studiously and bravely ignored.

You've trolled this straw man through several pages and flogged it to death. Bravo!

Is your language always as immoderate as your language I have linked to below?

I can now call you a liar

Weasel words Ol?

So I guess you remain a liar and have not read the report, but hey, it's just a word right?

Are you seriously a moderator?

By the way, could I draw your attention to page 70 of the report in question 'Reflections on body image, All Party Parliamentary Group on Body Image' that states

3.14 our recommendations:

a review into the scale of the problem of appearance-based discrimination and how this could be best tackled. This may include exploring whether an amendment to the Equalities Act would be the most appropriate way of tackling such discrimination.

Link

Could I suggest that you work on your reading comprehension skills before calling posters lairs and trolls?

Note, I have not referred to you as using 'weasel words', of being a 'troll' or even being a 'liar', even though you have referred to other posters and I using such language in reference to this matter.

You get your facts wrong and you are openly rude and abusive.

Are you really a moderator?

Seriously?

Liberals want to "enforce" goodness instead of letting people choose for themselves. They dont want people to learn through the process of trial and error and free will. As such liberals always gravitate toward totalitarian tyranny and thought-control, all in the name of "good". It it seems that for the time being the have won the race for the minds and hearts of our dystopian society until such a time when enlightenment returns to the world.

In the liberal dystopia we are heading towards, any sort of dissent, criticism, opposing view or non-conformity to Big Brother is seen as "bullying" and "inequality". In most European nations today, schoolchildren referring to people as "winners" or "losers" is already seen as an attack on "equality" and the child re-educated to think in terms of "win-win" or "there are no losers". In this way the idea of merit, achievement and strength are erased from the socialist hive-mind.

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by Laykilla

 

Apparently you missed those tid bits. The MP's conducted the study, they wrote the report, and here they are saying it's IN the report.

I said you haven't read the report and you said...

I did read the report, the report very specifically states that calling someone fat could become a hate crime.

You also stated this >>

I've been a member here considerably longer than you, and not once have I lied, nor participated in a thread without reading it in it's entirety first. I actually pride myself on that fact.

And then dug yourself deeper with this >>>

You ARE wrong, and as such -- I deserve an apology. I won't get one, because it's beneath you, but what ever -- we both know the score here.

I've read the report and have it on my HD...pick a page and I'll post it for you. 'Hate crime' isn't in there. 'Crime' is mentioned once. So I guess you remain a liar and have not read the report, but hey, it's just a word right?

As apologies go, I apologise if my replies to you have been stronger than I intended.

Nope, you're wrong. It's in the report, page 70 section 3.14.

Here is a direct screen grab of the section you evidently didn't read.

Not only is it IN the report, it's IN the article written about the report.

Not only is it IN the article written about the report, but it was told to those who wrote the article by the MP's that WROTE the report.

So, yeah. I'd say an apology is apt -- wouldn't you? You couldn't be more wrong.

I'd also like to note, that, neither me or Ollncasino resorted to calling you names or being rude to you. We've both just repeatedly pointed out that you have made a mistake.

As far as I'm concerned, you don't owe just me and Ollncasino an apology, but ALL of ATS for being out of order and for all intents and purposes walking the wrong side of the line of ATS's own ToC.

If you can't apologize I don't think you are personally fit to be a moderator on ATS.

16) Behavior: You will not behave in an abusive, libelous, defamatory, hateful, intolerant, bigoted and/or racist manner, and will not harass, threaten, nor attack anyone.

Calling me a liar is both defamatory and abusive. Especially when you're the one who's mistaken.

P.S.

I'd like to point out, that an amendment to the equalities act, is very plainly stating that this *could* become a hate crime.

Which is all I ever said.

As for you thinking calling me a liar is akin to me calling someone who IS fat, fat... it's not.

Someone who IS fat, IS fat.

In this case, I'm NOT a liar -- so do you see the difference?

Rather than pointing obese people to the right methods to lose weight and regain their dignity and strength, the liberal hive-mind will say "Im OK, you're OK" and try to boost the fat persons "self-esteem", claiming that monstrous overweight is "normal" and those who disagree are "discriminating". In this way the dystopian society will create a class of completely inept, inert and incapable people who pad each other on the backs for "being OK". The only thing they will be "OK" for is to follow the orders of Big Brother.

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

There is a real social stigma in the UK to being fat.. Do you think it is correct that people should be discriminated against and made feel bad because of their weight. Because we live in a society where is deemed sexy to walk around like a stick insect. As I said in my previous post discriminating against people because of their weight is no different from discriminating against colour. You might as well be sticking up for a bunch of KKK..

There IS a difference. You cannot choose your color. You CAN choose to not be fat. I am talking from experience here, as you likely know. I made a choice, I did some research, and I stuck to a plan. I lost 22 inches off my waist and 220 lbs since 1-3.2011.

As a business manager, someone being fat tells me a few things about them during an interview:

- they may lack the ability to bootstrap their own insight. Meaning, they may not be able to go out, independantly, and acquire their own information to give them insight. They may need me holding their hand rather than being the entrepreneur that I hired them to be.

- they may lack pride in execution, as evidenced by a possible lack of pride in their own appearance. This deals with being detail oriented.

- they may lack self discipline. Losing weight is easy. A low carb lifestyle will make you literally melt while you are not going hungry. I did it without any exercise at all. You don't have to work hard to drop pounds, you just have to be willing to give up bread, rice, potato, and sugar. Someone unwilling to do something like that would also be unwilling to give 100% on an all nighter where we are trying to hammer out the 2014 budget. And I am not sure I could depend on them in other stressful, highly disciplined tasks.

- They may be prone to poisoned logic. Many people will rationalize their obesity and try to make it sound like a superior condition. I hear it all the time....those little sayings meant to boost the ego of someone who knows that they should drop a few pounds but would rather not have the discipline and insight to do it.

Being fat is behavioral.

Not saying I have a problem with fat people. I am one of those, as mentioned by another few in this thread, that prefers my mate to be of a more plump proportion. My wife is in the 250 range, too.....and I would not have her any other way. I find fat women to be beautiful.

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

There is a real social stigma in the UK to being fat.. Do you think it is correct that people should be discriminated against and made feel bad because of their weight. Because we live in a society where is deemed sexy to walk around like a stick insect. As I said in my previous post discriminating against people because of their weight is no different from discriminating against colour. You might as well be sticking up for a bunch of KKK..

We don't live in a society where it's deemed sexy to walk around like a stick insect. We live in a society where it's deemed sexy when someone is HEALTHY.

There is a very real reason why we find slim, tone, and athletic to be sexy -- and it's not because they are STICK insects, it's because they are IN SHAPE and what a person in peak form looks like.

I get so irritated at fat people calling me a "Stick." I'm not a stick, I'm normal sized -- not over sized.

Now again -- I don't have a problem with bigger people, but, I don't agree with their lifestyle and I will on occasion tell someone.

This is not the same thing as calling someone of color less of a person. I don't deem fat people lesser people, but at the same time -- the reality is, this is the one occasion when generally they are.

Obese people cannot run how far I can run. Cannot stand the heat as well as I can. Cannot do the work that I can.

This is not fiction. A person of color can run comparable distances, can stand comparable heat, can do comparable work.

There are MUCH less things obese people can do than people who are not obese. This means they are not even close on average to hitting the potential of the average person.

This also means that they may lack discipline and motivation.

All things that are or can be true in the case of an obese person, that is not true by changing the skin color of me.

There is a very REAL difference between the two -- they are not even comparable.

And again, calling someone fat doesn't mean I hate them -- it usually means the opposite. I don't go out of my way to call strangers fat. If I'm calling an obese person fat, it usually means because I care about them -- which is quite the opposite of hate.

Should we create a new classification called "Love Crime?" -- I mean how silly do we intend to get with this?

Being fat is behavioral, being black, white, yellow, red, or brown is not.

Behavior can be changed, skin color can not.

reply to post by Superhans

More rhetoric in an attempt to derail the thread.

Thank you for your short and unthought out reply...

You do not seem to have the ability to lay you points out in a cohesive manor. I requested you do this more than once and you have failed.

You seem to want to defend an idea that words only hurt you if you allowed them Yet I note your are fast to point point out that I may have made personal insults to you. You cannot have it both ways..

You have failed to understand that words can hurt people. I have a friend that committed suicide after being victimised with words. Please go and tell that to his parents.

You need to educate yourself about the power of words. Have you not heard of terms like emotional abuse. I suggest you do some reading.. Forgive you you cannot for they are words and they have no power. Please go and tell that to the estimated 10% of children suffer emotional abuse in the UK...

You negated the video I linked from another thread. The child that died mostly because of the hate rhetoric thrown towards her. Speaks volumes about you as a person.

Discrimination can take on many forms. The social dogma attached to being fat is growing in society. Not abating. Making negative and abusive comments based on peoples race in the UK is against the law. Making negative and abusive comments because a person is handicapped or special needs in the UK is against the law. It follows logical suite that making negative and abusive comments based on people in the UK should also be illegal.

Heck I am all for free speech. But what you are defending is bullying.. Stop with the parrot talk about free speech and think about what you say. Do you think that bullying should be allowed because if curtailed damages the right of free speech...

My points have been laid out in a clear and conclusive manor that a child would understand. Still you will be unable to respond with anything apart from troll like rhetoric.

I think you would be happier hanging out back on your Rambo thread..

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by Superhans

 

More rhetoric in an attempt to derail the thread.

Thank you for your short and unthought out reply...

You do not seem to have the ability to lay you points out in a cohesive manor. I requested you do this more than once and you have failed.

You seem to want to defend an idea that words only hurt you if you allowed them Yet I note your are fast to point point out that I may have made personal insults to you. You cannot have it both ways..

You have failed to understand that words can hurt people. I have a friend that committed suicide after being victimised with words. Please go and tell that to his parents.

You need to educate yourself about the power of words. Have you not heard of terms like emotional abuse. I suggest you do some reading.. Forgive you you cannot for they are words and they have no power. Please go and tell that to the estimated 10% of children suffer emotional abuse in the UK...

You negated the video I linked from another thread. The child that died mostly because of the hate rhetoric thrown towards her. Speaks volumes about you as a person.

Discrimination can take on many forms. The social dogma attached to being fat is growing in society. Not abating. Making negative and abusive comments based on peoples race in the UK is against the law. Making negative and abusive comments because a person is handicapped or special needs in the UK is against the law. It follows logical suite that making negative and abusive comments based on people in the UK should also be illegal.

Heck I am all for free speech. But what you are defending is bullying.. Stop with the parrot talk about free speech and think about what you say. Do you think that bullying should be allowed because if curtailed damages the right of free speech...

My points have been laid out in a clear and conclusive manor that a child would understand. Still you will be unable to respond with anything apart from troll like rhetoric.

I think you would be happier hanging out back on your Rambo thread..

I'm sorry for your loss, but you have to understand something that is very real...

Those words did not kill your friend.

Your friend killed him/her self.

If I shoot some one with a gun, the bullet kills them. I fired the bullet, so I'm responsible.

In the case of your friend...

A person/group of people called him/her words, the words did not kill him/her. He/She killed him/her self, so therefor -- He/She is responsible. The the slinger of the words is not responsible.

It was a decision your friend made him/her self and ultimately the onus and responsibility lies with him/herself.

Words cannot kill people. Words cannot hurt people.

This is a fact.

Some people are just weak minded -- this is a fact of life. I was bullied extensively as a kid, do you know what I did?

I didn't cry about it, I stood up for myself. I didn't end my life, I stood up for myself. Like most other people out there, I stood up for myself.

Those that don't, don't all kill themselves. Some do. So because there are people who are willing to take their own lives, we should then punish those that have no responsibility in that decision?

I'm sorry, but there is just no logic in that.

Can bullying be mean and rotten? Yes. Is the world sugar and ponies? No, and that's just the facts of life.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

There IS a difference. You cannot choose your color

Hello bigfatfurrytexan. Thank you for you reply.

Yes you are correct. But you can choose where you live. You could relevantly argue that people of ethnic origin could choose to live in an ethnic area so that the prejudice of race need not apply.

The assumptions you make about someone being over weight in the interview and a little blinkered. Maybe they have an addictive personality.. Heck most people have one way or another. Be it shopping, gaming, eating, drugs, work, money...etc all addictive traits. Tell me would you interview skills be able to pick out these other forms of addiction and would you be so fast to attach negative traits to them..

Being fat is not always behavioural. I(f it was please explain why obesity is rapidly increasing in many western countires. There are other aspects at play here too...

Certain people are prone to weight problems, others eat the wrong types of food. They are putting an awful amount of rubbish in food these days.

It is discrimination and should be treated as such...

reply to post by ollncasino


They are a little more civil in their discourse. Better mannered. They think and feel the same things we do but they don't just spit the words out at every opportunity just to get a rise out of someone. I think they are actually interested in keeping the peace and making sure people with disabilities are not harassed, and abused by bullies who simply want to cause trouble. What a concept.