Banning the word 'fatty' is an insidious attempt at politically correct thought control

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posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 08:31 AM
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Words cannot kill people. Words cannot hurt people.


Thank you for you reply... Words can kill. Wars are started with words... Yes words can hurt people. Can racism hurt people. Have you been on the receiving end of it....?

Please go and so some research before you tell me words cannot hurt people...




Emotional abuse is like brain washing in that it systematically wears away at the victim’s self-confidence, sense of self-worth, trust in their own perceptions, and self-concept. Whether it is done by constant berating and belittling, by intimidation, or under the guise of “guidance,” “teaching,” or “advice,” the results are similar. Eventually, the recipient of the abuse loses all sense of self and remnants of personal value. Emotional abuse cuts to the very core of a person, creating scars that may be far deeper and more lasting than physical ones (Engel, 1992, p. 10).


www.counselingcenter.illinois.edu...




posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 08:34 AM
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The overall agenda of the cultural marxist is to instate that nobody is responsible for their actions, that humans are in fact automatons. In this reversal of truth, genetics are "responsible"for obesity and insults are "responsible" for the hurt feelings of a fat person. In the "progressive" vision of humankind we are have no free will, we are empty shells that can be programmed and deprogrammed by the dictates of the collective.



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 08:34 AM
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You may not think so but you were affected and your experience left you mean and bitter.
It simply oozes out of your writing. Callous disregard as a result of abuse is fairly easy to identify. .



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by purplemer
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There IS a difference. You cannot choose your color


Hello bigfatfurrytexan. Thank you for you reply.

Yes you are correct. But you can choose where you live. You could relevantly argue that people of ethnic origin could choose to live in an ethnic area so that the prejudice of race need not apply.

The assumptions you make about someone being over weight in the interview and a little blinkered. Maybe they have an addictive personality.. Heck most people have one way or another. Be it shopping, gaming, eating, drugs, work, money...etc all addictive traits. Tell me would you interview skills be able to pick out these other forms of addiction and would you be so fast to attach negative traits to them..

Being fat is not always behavioural. I(f it was please explain why obesity is rapidly increasing in many western countires. There are other aspects at play here too...

Certain people are prone to weight problems, others eat the wrong types of food. They are putting an awful amount of rubbish in food these days.

It is discrimination and should be treated as such...


It's not discrimination, and shouldn't be treated as such.

Prone to weight problems? Can it happen? Yes. Is it even remotely usually the case? No, it's simply not.

You have to remember that going to the doctor works on the honor system. If the doctor puts you on a diet and you cheat and tell him you didn't, he will likely run out of options and then say, well "If you're being honest and not cheating your diet, then you must be prone to weight problems."

95% of all obesity can be controlled if that person so chooses it. I've seen obese people come from obese families who tell their obese child it runs in our family, only to have that obese child become thin and in shape and athletic when he finds out his family has been feeding him terribly.

I've also seen obese children come from skinny families where obesity is no where to be found in their lineage.

Can an ethnic person move to an ethnic neighborhood? Sure, they have those -- but does that mean he's going to eliminate interaction with other races? No.

Racism is a lot more than black vs white. There are spanish that hate other spanish, I.E. Dominicans and Puerto rican's. There are Asians that hate other asians, Chinese that hate Japanese, and Japanese that hate Chinese, there are white people that hate other white people, like Anglo-American vs Russians. It's a lot more complicated than "what color are you?"

This is not at all similar to obesity in any shape form or fashion. I'm starting to think that you might be obese [not that there is anything wrong with you if you are, but if you are, you should try to not be].

Fat vs Ethnicity is Apples vs Sports Cars.

They aren't even close to being categorized in the same bin.
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posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by newcovenant


They are a little more civil in their discourse. Better mannered.


Civil discourse comes from ones own free will and choice - or not.

State-imposed "civil discourse" holds the human spirit hostage in an attempt to "meta program" the "human bio-computer" (these are atheiset/communist terms for human) into do-gooderism...which is not true goodness from the heart, because it is forced by the state.
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posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by lucid eyes

Originally posted by newcovenant


They are a little more civil in their discourse. Better mannered.


Civil discourse comes from ones own free will and choice - or not.

State-imposed "civil discourse" holds the human spirit hostage in an attempt to "meta program" the "human bio-computer" (these are atheiset/communist terms for human) into do-gooderism...which is not true goodness from the heart, because it is forced by the state.
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Whoa now buddy. I'm an atheist and I don't believe in communism or forcing people into "do-gooderism."

Atheist is not an ideology. It's not a religion. It's not a form of Politics. It's a belief in we are all human and we share the same origin. It just means we believe our origin didn't come from a character from a novel.

Atheists don't not believe in god either, this is a fallacy. I'm not speaking of "agnostic" either. Atheists believe that god in the traditional sense, a deity -- doesn't exist.

God is not a deity, it's the thing that caused existence. We all believe there was a point of origin, if there wasn't -- nothing would exist. What that point of origin is exactly, is what differs from person to person, from religion to religion, from atheist to atheist.

The point of origin, or "genesis" is what we ALL refer to as God. It just so happens that religions think it's an all knowing all powerful super creature that always existed, and atheists think it's just the cause of genesis and it may never be explainable by man. We accept the fact that we don't know how we got here, and will most likely never know how we got here. We also tend to believe it's not a "Deity."

Being an atheist has nothing to do with morals or ethics or common decency. It has nothing to do with political alignments, it has nothing to do with how society functions. This is why it's not an Ideology.

Other than that, I completely agree with everything you wrote there. State imposed civil discourse does hold the human spirit hostage in an attempt to mass program an entire society to behave in a specific manner.

However, this has nothing to do with atheism.
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posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 08:50 AM
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An atheist does not normally view humans as having a spirit. That statement was made in the post above, nothing more.



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by lucid eyes
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An atheist does not normally view humans as having a spirit. That statement was made in the post above, nothing more.


But that's not true either. Spirit is what makes us, us. Spirit is consciousness and personality -- it literally translates into "Breath" or the spark of life.

Consciousness and personality can absolutely be programmed. Again I say, it's unfair to say that it's an atheist concept, it's not. Is it a Communist concept? Yes. A Marxist concept? Yes. A Totalitarian concept? Yes.

Not an atheist one.

To be more clear, I can't speak for all atheists, but all the ones I know place more value in consciousness than "A bio computer."

We can do things a computer can't. That has to count for something.
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posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 09:09 AM
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Any reasonable, thoughtful ,mature, human being does not use insults and words to hurt another person on purpose...but there has got to be a better way then sending people to jail if they blow-up and say hurtful things...now in the case of that poor kid that killed herself over cyber bullying , it was more complicated then just words, ACTIONS were involved...harrassment, physical violence, and some phycho people that exploited her insecurity and poor choices...it was beyond cruel....and as the mommy of a 21 yr old..it broke my heart...my daughter and her friends have posted things on FB that make my head spin...thankfully she is the kind of kid that will tell you to kiss her ass...hard on her mommy sometimes...lol...save that for another thread.....

The point is ...we have taken trying to mandate human behavior too far....especially when the very powers that will benefit and PROFIT from our disfunction will make and "lawfully" enforce and demand we pay the price...I want NO control over our lives by liars....I just watched an interesting interview with a man named George Green....elite whistle blower....and what made him come "clean" was when he saw and heard these "monsters" talking about how to kill most of us while they smoked crack and made it clear screwing kids was perfectly normal.....yup....I believe this is true......I have been to, and seen the Bohemian Grove...and the locals there can tell you what friggin kinda "freaks" these people are.......



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by newcovenant

I think they are actually interested in keeping the peace and making sure people with disabilities are not harassed, and abused by bullies who simply want to cause trouble. What a concept.


Why do restrictions on liberties come in the guise of protecting other people?

Besides, where are these armies of overweight people demanding restrictions to stop their feelings getting hurt? I haven't met any.

Yet you insist on taking offense on the behalf of other people, people who may not even agree with you.

Following your own logic, perhaps some people feel that your writing hurts their feelings.

Should I then take offense on their behalf and demand that you are not allowed to express yourself in the interest of preventing trouble and keeping the peace?

See how that works?


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posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 09:22 AM
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How about calling stupid people thick? Or short people short? Or tall people tall? Or fat people fat


There is no social stigma attached to calling tall people tall now is there....?



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 09:52 AM
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Afternoon Superhans...

From your posts I see that you do not understand how much words can affect a person. Having been bullied myself at school for being 'fat' and for being English (I moved to Scotland when I was 11), I am all for the banning. You clearly have NO idea how much a word can integrate itself in someones psyche so deep - it is damn near impossible to get rid of. And it will affect their lives CONSTANTLY until they can manage to be rid of such hurt. I was only 1 stone overweight and the reason for that was because I used to comfort eat because I got bullied - and it wasn't just at school.

At home my Dad mentally abused me for years. I remember two things he said to me that hurt me the most and still stay with me to this day. I was only 14 at the time. 1: "You're one cupcake away from obesity" (which is ironic seeing as I didn't even like cupcakes..) 2: "If I were you I would've killed myself by now"..... So what gives my own Father the right to say such things to his own daughter at such an influential, tender age...?!

The kids at school used to call me fatty fatty boom boom, shrek, lard arse, wide load, fat b***h etc... And also other profanities relating to the fact that I was from England... All this hate and bullying DESTROYED my teenagers years. I never wanted to go out. I never wanted to be at home because of my Dad. I was seriously depressed. I had ridiculously low self-esteem, I hated myself and my body so much that I made myself incredibly ill. Although even whilst I was going through all this my Mum, Brother and friends never knew how much I was hurting.. I hid it from everyone.

I got into many fights at school, as that was the only way I could gain any kind of respect from these bullies. Even though I was a girl the boys still beat and hit me. So in my second to last year at school I earned the name psychobitch instead - I was happier with this name than fatty fatty boom boom etc...

When I finally left school and about 4 months later, I was walking down to the shops with a friend, it was maybe around 9:30pm, as we were walking down a short-cut street we see a group of around 7-8 boys hanging about under a lamp post. We both stopped in our tracks - we knew who these boys were - the bullies from school...

I'm gonna keep this short.
Then my friend freaked out ran home, words were said between myself and David, I tried to keep walking but they ran in front of me and stopped me. They beat me senseless, then took off all my clothes apart from my bra and knickers, tied me to a lamp post and wrote on my stomach in permanent marker - fat english slag..... and left me.

So I dont know about you Superhans, but those bullies should have been in juvenile detention a long time ago..!!
Do you not see how things can escalate...?! Just over calling someone fat - even when I was only 1 stone over weight. And its not like they themselves were the thinnest branches on the tree...

If you call someone fat in a malicious way, then yes it is a crime. If you call someone black in a malicious way, yes it is a crime. If you call someone a retard in a malicious way, yes it is a crime too...

So what exactly is the difference between calling someone fat in a malicious way and calling someone black in a malicious way...????

They are words that if said maliciously, cause deep deep deep hurt. And it can and DOES affect the lives of many people world wide. Including myself, and a rather big handful of friends I know. My friend Magdalena got called fat at school even though she was tiny, she now has severe anorexia and bulimia and has alienated herself from all her friends and family.
All because a bully called her fat....

Even to this day I still have confidence problems. It has stopped me going to certain job interviews. It nearly stopped me from meeting the first love of my life. Those horrid words that are hurled at you with such force and hate, rip through you like a bullet covered in rock salt. Words are dangerous. And if used in the wrong manner can cause great pain and suffering.

It is abuse. Period.



Banning the word 'fatty' is an insidious attempt at politically correct thought control


Its not thought control. Its just making people THINK before they SPEAK.
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posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by lucid eyes

Originally posted by newcovenant


They are a little more civil in their discourse. Better mannered.


Civil discourse comes from ones own free will and choice - or not.

State-imposed "civil discourse" holds the human spirit hostage in an attempt to "meta program" the "human bio-computer" (these are atheiset/communist terms for human) into do-gooderism...which is not true goodness from the heart, because it is forced by the state.
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Yes and if you don't have it - you don't have civil discourse.

You are making too much of something that should already be understood.



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by newcovenant

I think they are actually interested in keeping the peace and making sure people with disabilities are not harassed, and abused by bullies who simply want to cause trouble. What a concept.


Why do restrictions on liberties come in the guise of protecting other people?

Besides, where are these armies of overweight people demanding restrictions to stop their feelings getting hurt? I haven't met any.

Yet you insist on taking offense on the behalf of other people, people who may not even agree with you.

Following your own logic, perhaps some people feel that your writing hurts their feelings.

Should I then take offense on their behalf and demand that you are not allowed to express yourself in the interest of preventing trouble and keeping the peace?

See how that works?


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People have a right to choose and form the society in which they live. If I am arrested by a police officer it is noted when I use profanity. If we had perfect freedom of speech this would not be noted but we don't. You can't yell fire in a crowded theater, you can't deliberately provoke someone without being guilty of provocation and needing to face the consequences if an altercation ensues. Keeping the peace. You already can conceal carry and so every attempt to improve civil discourse should be utilized to minimize the dead, even if these are societal dictates agreed upon. For every case like this if you dig in you can find a compelling cause and argument a case that is so horrendous you say...lets outlaw this deliberate abusive behavior. Don't worry - You can still bully your wife and kids, kick the dog. We still can be jerks on our own property. Thank God since I think even He wanted that for us.



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 10:56 AM
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I have rarely called people "fatty" but those who are more than regular weight and approaching obesity use words to offend too. I often get "your SO SKINNY!" and "you look anorexic" from those same people who they are trying to shield (I guess to make themselves feel better?). I get offended by that as much as they would being called a "fatty", especially because I am at a healthy body weight and lifestyle.

So are they going to ban the word "skinny", "anorexic"? Because they carry the same connotations as the word "fatty".

How about the people getting off their seats and into motion so they can loose that "fat"? It's not impossible. Yet they want to coddle people instead. Yes words have power, but action has more power. They need to get into gear and join a fitness club, and learn how to eat healthy foods and portions. It could also help with the diabetes epidemic if there were more programs and education, instead of making words illegal.

I guess the fats cats had enough



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 11:33 AM
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More Newspeak....
Once they control the words how and when you can say them for a generation or two then they will control all of humanity.

I was taught it's just a word...the only reason it might hurt is if you believe it to be true. If you don't care then sticks & stones but I guess we forget this...



posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 12:36 PM
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Obesity is increasing in western countries because western countries have pushed a carb heavy diet on their people.

Ever see what happens to a goose liver when they are force fed carbs? Its called "foie gras". I know a 24 year old who eats the normal Mexican diet (heavy in tortillas and rice). They are unable to take lamisil because of a severely fatty liver (and they are not overweight).

You can thank the Food Pyramid, which not only encourages eating disproportionate amoints of grain, but also called corn and carrots "vegetables" (they are starches).

I talked about how we are told what to think rather than taught how to think. This is another artifact of that, as poeple eat what they are told is healthy rather than learning it on their own.

And people who are not insightful enough to question this authority usually do not end up on my team. At least, not for long.
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posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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Okay, where is the high carbs in this food pyramid?



There are many different food pyramids out there, not just one.

Most diets are based on low carbs.

Edit:

Sorry, here's the source for the image:

www.drfuhrman.com...
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posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 02:03 PM
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By the way, diets are bullchit. So is exercise.

I've known this one girl for twenty years and she is very overweight. She doesn't have things like diabetes or sleep apnea and I've know skinny people who do have those kinds of things.

She even exercises once a day by riding her bike for ten miles or for one hour, whichever comes first, except on the weekends. She keeps her calorie intake to 2750 a day and no more. She takes this in large amounts ofof rabbit food so she can be full so she can eat lots of food at a time. I once saw her beat twenty different men in an arm wrestling match a few years ago. After that nobody in this town will arm wrestle her and she's developed something of a legend for doing that.

She's been doing this for ten years, and she is still over weight. You could mistake her for being pregnant.

So what now, you diet and exercise people?

Sure, diet and exercise do work for some, but for the most part, it's still bs. It's also a huge generalization to say it works for everybody. It doesn't work for everybody, just some people, and to say otherwise is a huge generalization that is propped up by the health industry in order to scam you out of your money so they can get richer and richer and richer.

And their scam works too, because they prey on people's anxieties and manipulate their emotions.

There's a good book on the subject called "The Obesity Myth: Why America's Obsession with Weight is Hazardous to Your Health" by Paul Campos on how the health industry scams people gullible people into believing all this diet and exercise junk. I recommend reading it.



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posted on Oct, 14 2012 @ 03:06 PM
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I agree with you, And I'm acquainted with the dwindling divide between the fictional near-future dystopian horror as laid out in such works as "Nineteen Eighty Four" and the actual current state of society. Scary stuff indeed.

Perhaps I'm more concerned with the issue of civility rather than absurd laws and their enforcement.

I can't help but think of the Terry Gilliam film "Brasil".

I could have been more clear in my original post I suppose. Sometimes I post in haste.

ETA: I starred your post as well
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