I don't know what has been said in other threads, so will repeat something for the sake of the reader.
1,2,3 secrets are given all in one apparition on July 13, 1917. 1,2 are released after Lucia writes them on paper and sends them in a sealed envelop
to the pope in 1941. I don't know the exact year of their public release, but as you see the year of the writing is already inside WW2. Pls see my
thread "2nd secret..." where I quote.
The so called 3rd secret should be the prolongued section of the 2nd secret that ends with the known words "in the end my Immaculate Heart will
The text of Neues Europa (not posted here, pls google) is given allegedly on October 13, 1917. It is a Different Text from the 1,2,3 secrets, since
the apparition is different. Whether "Neues Europa" presents it authentically, more or less, we have the testimony of cardinal Ottaviani that it
does so very closely although not 100%. And to some degree the words of John Paul II in Fulda who speaks in the same sense of possible planetary
cataclysms although he does not say they will happen for sure. So the text known as Neues Europa should be named differently from the so called 3rd
secret. Unfortunately, until this day we do not know the 3rd secret given on July 13, 1917 together with 1 and 2.
6 apparitions to the 3 children are not the only ones. It is known that at least Lucia had more apparitions, and probably Jacinta too. Francesco has
seen separately at least once one of the demonic creatures that have been shown in hell in secret 1.
The vision of persecution and pope's martyrdom released oficialy in 2000, and popularly known as 3rd secret, is a separate vision that Jacinta speaks
about (if remember correctly) the bishop clothed in white. Whether or not it is the authentic handwritting of Lucia on the 4pages' released text,
there are doubts claimed by organizations such as fatima.org. Even if fully autentic, as I want to believe, it is a different vision, separate from
the above texts that deal with words of the Bessed Mother.
Notice all of them are given on different dates, and not as popularly known only on the Fatima Sun miracle October 13, 1917.
The consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary is given as precise request later - only to Lucia who is already a cloistered nun. One may
speculate forever whether this request has been fulfilled and if it is fully fulfilled. John Paul II made a consecration in 1984 of the world
including those countries and nations who need it most. That presumably would have included Russia too, although not mentioned by name. It is still
USSR btw, a name Our Lady never mentions.
Russia had unprecedented changes since then, and the Orthodox Church enjoyed unprecedented liberties. New churches were built, including the ruined by
Stalin cathedral "Christ the Savior" near Kremlin. (Not the same as the red domed church on the red square St Basil the Blessed). Last year during
the visit of the holy belt of Mother of God kept in Mt Athos Vatopedi monastery, some 2-3 mln Russians venerated it throughout Russia, including
remote regions of Siberia known for their prison camps and underground cities. Is this enough for conversion? Nobody knows. But it is ill -conceived
to compare the 1983 USSR of Andropov who nearly started WW3 with today's Russia. (see the movie Able Archer 1983
a must see!)
If we accept as a matter of fact at least a partial conversion of Russia, and thus fulfillment of the so called 3rd secret given on July 13, 1917,
then we should proceed further to the text given on Oct 13, 1917, that is said to be very similar to Neues Europa although not equivalent. I don't
know how similar or different from the 3rd secret is the one given on Oct 13. It may speak of probability, of WW3 due to Other circumstances and not
the non-converted Russia, or for planetary disasters of cosmic character. We just don't know because we are denied the entire truth.
How that matches with other apparitions that speak of Great warning and Chastisement, and how true they are by themselves since Our Lady does not
speak in such terms in Fatima or other approved apparitions, is really hard to say. Especially after we have the example of the mish-mash of Fatima
that is fully approved by the Church... So many seers have spoken of imminent events and we continue waiting. May be for too long.