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Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by HappyBunny
Hi jiggerj,
If I might make a suggestion...read Dawkins' The Greatest Show on Earth or Coyne's Why Evolution is True. Sudden mutations are possible--what you're not understanding is that the mutation doesn't produce sudden, noticeable changes. That takes generations. And don't confuse generations with years; evolution doesn't work that way. Here's an example. Let's say person A had a mutation on a particular gene. That mutation gets passed on to his or her offspring one generation later. A hundred years after that, his or her descendent, who has inherited the gene, shows some physical alteration, no matter how small.
A hundred years, four generations.
Get it?
Hi HB,
Two things,
First this from Mathematical Impossibility of Evolution
the probability of 200 successive mutations being successful is then (½)200, or one chance out of 1060. The number 1060, if written out, would be "one" followed by sixty "zeros." In other words, the chance that a 200-component organism could be formed by mutation and natural selection is less than one chance out of a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion! Lest anyone think that a 200-part system is unreasonably complex, it should be noted that even a one-celled plant or animal may have millions of molecular "parts.
Two: As impossible as it is to have successful mutations repeated over and over, it seems nature hasn't been informed. The trees mutated successfully, along with every plant, weed, bug, animal, fish...
Take any living thing and have a scientist look at it and say, "Hmmm, this creature had a bad mutation because it obviously doesn't need this part."
Even our appendix was once useful. And I bet every part of the platypus is useful to the creature. Show me an elephant with an extra (failed) trunk sticking out of it's side, seeds that won't grow and aren't edible.
The odds of unsuccessful mutations occurring are way more likely that successful mutations, yet all we see are the good ones.edit on 10/25/2012 by jiggerj because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by resoe26
If we evolved from Monkeys... then how come there are still monkeys? how come there aren't any half human half monkey folks roaming around? Or did you find bigfoot and get that $10,000,000 reward from Spike TV?
Originally posted by resoe26
If we evolved from Monkeys... then how come there are still monkeys? how come there aren't any half human half monkey folks roaming around? Or did you find bigfoot and get that $10,000,000 reward from Spike TV?
Originally posted by HappyBunny
Originally posted by resoe26
If we evolved from Monkeys... then how come there are still monkeys? how come there aren't any half human half monkey folks roaming around? Or did you find bigfoot and get that $10,000,000 reward from Spike TV?
This is the stupidest creationist argument ever and shows your ignorance of evolutionary theory.
We need transitional fossils, you know part dog part seal. Come on
If we evolved from Monkeys... then how come there are still monkeys?
Evolution is deception . They have been lying to whole human generation for 100s of years
Has it not came into perspective that it is just a THEORY?
Where is the branch off of species that is half monkey half human....
Originally posted by HappyBunny
Okay, I was trying to help you out and guide you to two very good books that could help you understand the modern synthesis, but since you want to be insulting by posting a blatantly creationist website without being intellectually honest enough to even check them out....
Firstly, the "bad" ones are weeded out through natural selection. A large mutation doesn't allow the organism to function, and it dies before it can reproduce. And scientists don't say, "Hmmm, this creature had a bad mutation because it obviously doesn't need this part." How nonsensical.
Secondly...the Institute for Creation Research, seriously?
Thirdly, there's no such thing as the mathematical impossibility of evolution. That's just patently absurd. You're misapplying Borel's "Law" (which isn't a law) like all creationists do because you don't understand the mathematical concept behind it, nor do you understand the biochemistry behind any of it. All you're doing is regurgitating what a website said. You don't even know enough to explain it in your own words.
Many of us here, however, DO understand the mathematics and the biochemistry. And we all know that you're about as wrong as you can get.
I don't believe in sudden mutation and no one's going to change my mind. I know what I've heard via some evolutionists, and they believe it.
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by HappyBunny
Okay, I was trying to help you out and guide you to two very good books that could help you understand the modern synthesis, but since you want to be insulting by posting a blatantly creationist website without being intellectually honest enough to even check them out....
Firstly, the "bad" ones are weeded out through natural selection. A large mutation doesn't allow the organism to function, and it dies before it can reproduce. And scientists don't say, "Hmmm, this creature had a bad mutation because it obviously doesn't need this part." How nonsensical.
Secondly...the Institute for Creation Research, seriously?
Thirdly, there's no such thing as the mathematical impossibility of evolution. That's just patently absurd. You're misapplying Borel's "Law" (which isn't a law) like all creationists do because you don't understand the mathematical concept behind it, nor do you understand the biochemistry behind any of it. All you're doing is regurgitating what a website said. You don't even know enough to explain it in your own words.
Many of us here, however, DO understand the mathematics and the biochemistry. And we all know that you're about as wrong as you can get.
UnHappy Bunny, I thought we were just shooting the breeze here. I didn't say I understood evolution. Didn't say I want to understand. Think hard on this, if I WANTED to know all there is to know about evolution, don't you think I'd go to school for it??? More importantly, why would anyone come here for specific information?
And, if you want to 'help people out' then get a degree in teaching and DON'T come here! We're not here to be helped out by anyone, much less an arrogant know-it-all such as yourself.
I don't believe in sudden mutation and no one's going to change my mind. I know what I've heard via some evolutionists, and they believe it. Good day. Jeez.edit on 10/26/2012 by jiggerj because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by jiggerj
In other words, you'd like to change ATS's mantra to "EMBRACE IGNORANCE"
Great plan
Originally posted by resoe26
If we evolved from Monkeys... then how come there are still monkeys? how come there aren't any half human half monkey folks roaming around? Or did you find bigfoot and get that $10,000,000 reward from Spike TV?
Originally posted by boymonkey74
Originally posted by resoe26
If we evolved from Monkeys... then how come there are still monkeys? how come there aren't any half human half monkey folks roaming around? Or did you find bigfoot and get that $10,000,000 reward from Spike TV?
OMG that is the best stupid ass post I have ever read on ATS
Surely this is a joke post no one can be that stupid.
Oh and before you say it, I was an experiment mixing monkey DNA with human DNA.
edit on 29-10-2012 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MrXYZ
complaining about it on a public discussion forum is kind of silly.