Vice Presidential Debate Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
Joe Biden is not a practising Catholic. A Bishop said he should not be receiving Communion. You can not be a practising Catholic and vote Pro-Choice. Same goes with Nancy Pelosi.

You are not a Catholic,so you no nothing of what you speak, again.

As a Catholic, I am free to choose any side of the Abortion debate.

Please go speak your Bull%#&% somewhere else.

As I have already said before, Marxists have infiltrated the Church.

By the Numbers: Moderator Raddatz Attacked Ryan 9 Times, Biden Once

pretty good snapshot of how they fixed it up.

Liberals are more pleased with moderator Martha Raddatz than conservatives are disappointed. And it's easy to see why. Raddatz allowed Joe Biden to interrupt Paul Ryan repeatedly during the Vice Presidential debate, and interrupted Ryan herself, while posing questions that were radically in favor of the Obama team. Ryan overcame Raddatz's bias and won the debate regardless, leaving less for conservatives to complain about.......

Here are Raddatz's attacks:

Attack #1: Holding Ryan and Romney, not Biden or Obama, accountable for Libya statements.

Attack #2: Asking Ryan--and only Ryan--to respond to American misdeeds in war.

Attack #3: Asking what the Romney/Ryan team would do, but not Obama/Biden, about Iran.

Attack #4: Asking Ryan specific questions on unemployment, while letting Biden avoid them.

Attack #6: Attacking Ryan--and only Ryan--for past legislative stances,

Attack #7: Accusing Ryan of not offering "specifics"--and interrupting him:

Attack #8: Falsely accusing Ryan of wanting to add to the defense budget.

Attack #9: Asking Ryan, not Biden, about the implications of his stance on abortion.

details in the article.


related story: Martha Raddatz Debate Moderating Draws Praise: 'Killing It,' 'Way Better' Than Lehrer

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Originally posted by xuenchen
By the Numbers: Moderator Raddatz Attacked Ryan 9 Times, Biden Once

pretty good snapshot of how they fixed it up.

Liberals are more pleased with moderator Martha Raddatz than conservatives are disappointed. And it's easy to see why. Raddatz allowed Joe Biden to interrupt Paul Ryan repeatedly during the Vice Presidential debate, and interrupted Ryan herself, while posing questions that were radically in favor of the Obama team. Ryan overcame Raddatz's bias and won the debate regardless, leaving less for conservatives to complain about.......

Here are Raddatz's attacks:

Attack #1: Holding Ryan and Romney, not Biden or Obama, accountable for Libya statements.

Attack #2: Asking Ryan--and only Ryan--to respond to American misdeeds in war.

Attack #3: Asking what the Romney/Ryan team would do, but not Obama/Biden, about Iran.

Attack #4: Asking Ryan specific questions on unemployment, while letting Biden avoid them.

Attack #6: Attacking Ryan--and only Ryan--for past legislative stances,

Attack #7: Accusing Ryan of not offering "specifics"--and interrupting him:

Attack #8: Falsely accusing Ryan of wanting to add to the defense budget.

Attack #9: Asking Ryan, not Biden, about the implications of his stance on abortion.

details in the article.


related story: Martha Raddatz Debate Moderating Draws Praise: 'Killing It,' 'Way Better' Than Lehrer

Maybe that's because Ryan was flat out lying and deserved to be called out on it?

For example, she DID ask both about their stance on Iran. They both have the same stance with one "minor" difference...Ryan would march into Iran despite the intelligence and military community suggesting it would end in a DISASTER. Hell, admitting that "undermines" the US in his twisted clownish opinion, even though it's a FACT. So once again the GOP is eager to create an alternate universe where facts can be ignored...bunch of clowns Romney & Ryan.

Originally posted by Kali74
New buzz word popping up... Bidened... it's referring to calling out a liar.

'Bidened' .. should be used when someone is exposed as a liar ... like Biden has been. I haven't heard this term ... must be something the Obama shill machine (MSNBC) is trying out.

Originally posted by thetiler
I think Biden is one of the best political speakers I've ever heard in my lifetime

You must be very young.

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
Joe Biden is not a practising Catholic.

When he's in town he goes to the church around the corner and down the road from us.
(I've been told by people who go there)
I've not been in the mass when he's there during communion time. I can't tell if he's
receiving communion or not. But he does go to mass .... it's a pain in the neck when
he and/or his family are being driven in town. The secret service take up the whole road.
And .. in my opinion .. are dangerous drivers.

Originally posted by Tw0Sides
As a Catholic, I am free to choose any side of the Abortion debate.

To be in favor of abortion makes you a 'cafeteria catholic' and TECHNICALLY you have excommunicated yourself. Yes you are free to pick that stand. But if you do so then you are excommunicated. It doesn't take an official 'excommunication' by the church to say that you are excommunicated. You have done that yourself.

(and I'm not saying that being a cafeteria catholic is a bad thing .. (I don't think it is) .. I'm stating what the church teaching is)

Originally posted by MrXYZ
Maybe that's because Ryan was flat out lying and deserved to be called out on it?

If she was calling Ryan out because he was 'flat out lying' .. then she should have done the same with Biden. Afterall .. Biden told whopper lie after whopper lie all night long. Not to mention the fact that his continued interruptions and chuckling were disrupting the debate.

If Ryan deserved to be called out on lies .. so did Biden.

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The liberal party has been so infiltrated by socialism they might as well be the same.

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I did think of this while watching the debate, Biden is the Joker.

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Just read that: "Shot Fired Outside Obama's Denver Campaign Office!"
xfinity.comcast.net...

If Obama's staff has to update their surveillance systems, I hope they don't go overseas to Romney's Bain - business, I hope they buy America !

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by MrXYZ
Maybe that's because Ryan was flat out lying and deserved to be called out on it?

If she was calling Ryan out because he was 'flat out lying' .. then she should have done the same with Biden. Afterall .. Biden told whopper lie after whopper lie all night long. Not to mention the fact that his continued interruptions and chuckling were disrupting the debate.

If Ryan deserved to be called out on lies .. so did Biden.

She did call both out. For example, she correctly stated the unemployment rate, and then mentioned that it's bellow where the Obama administration said it would be.

Ryan's statements weren't "small lies", they were MASSIVE lies.

And on top of tha he couldn't back up his claims with facts or actual specific plans. For example, he claims to be fiscally conservative....yet his plans foresee a massive increase in defence spending, tax cuts worth BILLIONS for a select few (that DON'T create jobs)...and at the same time he claims to not cut people's entitlements. Or he claims to cut them, but that it won't hurt them at all. Depending on his mood I guess

He's a bought sock puppet of the highest order

"Mitt Romney’s choice of Paul Ryan as his vice-presidential candidate makes 2012 the first time in American history that a major party has run a ticket without a Protestant on it". Slate
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Can Ryan and Romney get along for four years if they get into the white house?
Because the pioneer leaders of the LDS church had terrible animosity for catholics.

Shouldn't they be on the same page, because there will be voting issues for sure if they get in, and Romney is very devout? He doesn't seem to want to know about dna and no artifacts from the book of mormon time period etc. So he sees things the way his pioneer heritage sees it to a large extent. That doesn't seem like a very wise decision to go with such a contrast as his running mate Ryan who is also equally devout. Of course there should be differences but this is considerably extreme,

Like with Biden, he seems much more mature in his belief in the catholic church (he is a practicing catholic), knowing that women have the right to their own bodies. He seems to be able to see wisdom in keeping a distance from some of the catholic doctrine that could divide the country. Especially over women's issues.
So with his maturity, he would be able to get along with Obama easier I think than Romney with Ryan.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
And on top of tha he couldn't back up his claims with facts or actual specific plans.

That what strikes me most with R/R. I'm worried about foreign policy where R/R are reduced to chanting the mantra of "being strong" without specifying in what regards, where and how. They selling that to the dumb sector of the public, I suppose. Do they propose to bomb Iran the day Romney takes office? Or bomb North Korea? I really want to know specifics. But they are not forthcoming. Can't trust R/R, period.

Originally posted by charles1952

Biden can say he is for removing restrictions on abortion, and supporting abortion on demand, but for the life of me I can't see how he can claim to be a practicing Catholic at the same time.

He can't and isn't... The abortion issue is a moot point, and it really isn't going to change no matter who is in office even though the democrats want to use it as a scare tactic for the ignorant.

The one thing I took from that whole abortion question is Biden never answered the question. He never said he was against abortions, but just all should make their choice... what is his choice? He didn't come out and actually say that due to his beliefs he is against them...

Ryan actually did that, whether you agree or not, he showed true conviction on his beliefs where Biden didn't. If Biden had any balls he would have said the same thing....

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Lol are you tweleve?

Originally posted by thetiler
reply to post by thetiler

 

Just read that: "Shot Fired Outside Obama's Denver Campaign Office!"
xfinity.comcast.net...

If Obama's staff has to update their surveillance systems, I hope they don't go overseas to Romney's Bain - business, I hope they buy America !

edit on 13-10-2012 by thetiler because: spelling

Lol what thread are you in...you keep posting stuff that has nothing to do with this thread...

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Lol are you tweleve?

My Bible says "TRUTH FROM THE MOUTHS OF BABES".

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by charles1952

Biden can say he is for removing restrictions on abortion, and supporting abortion on demand, but for the life of me I can't see how he can claim to be a practicing Catholic at the same time.

He can't and isn't... The abortion issue is a moot point, and it really isn't going to change no matter who is in office even though the democrats want to use it as a scare tactic for the ignorant.

The one thing I took from that whole abortion question is Biden never answered the question. He never said he was against abortions, but just all should make their choice... what is his choice? He didn't come out and actually say that due to his beliefs he is against them...

Ryan actually did that, whether you agree or not, he showed true conviction on his beliefs where Biden didn't. If Biden had any balls he would have said the same thing....

edit on 13-10-2012 by Xtrozero because: (no reason given)

If Biden believes it's everyone's CHOICE (as in: they are free to do whatever), how exactly does that automatically oblige him to tell you his choice? It doesn't matter if he's pro or against as according to his own words, everyone should be allowed to chose. You know...freedom

Originally posted by MrXYZ
She did call both out.

I think she nailed all of Ryans .. but only two of Bidens.

Ryan's statements weren't "small lies", they were MASSIVE lies.

Same with Biden. He told some real WHOPPERS.

The both lied. They both manipulated the information. They both dodged the questions.
The REALLY DODGED A LOT ... both of them. The moderator missed a lot of big
'gotchya' moments for Biden. The questions were good .. but the moderating was uneven
and she let the debate get out of control.