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Vice Presidential Debate Discussion Thread

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posted on Oct, 12 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
Joe Biden is not a practising Catholic. A Bishop said he should not be receiving Communion. You can not be a practising Catholic and vote Pro-Choice. Same goes with Nancy Pelosi.
You are not a Catholic,so you no nothing of what you speak, again.

As a Catholic, I am free to choose any side of the Abortion debate.

Please go speak your Bull%#&% somewhere else.




posted on Oct, 12 2012 @ 08:29 PM
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From the looks of this thread the socialists are getting rather aggressive, aren't they?



posted on Oct, 12 2012 @ 08:33 PM
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Colorado bishop's blunt remarks on duties of Catholic politicians, Catholic voters

A Colorado bishop has stated that Catholic politicians who support legal abortion or same-sex marriage—and perhaps Catholic voters who support them--should not receive Communion.

www.catholicculture.org...



posted on Oct, 12 2012 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by MidnightTide
From the looks of this thread the socialists are getting rather aggressive, aren't they?



If I lied to your face with impunity, you would start to feel hostile yourself. Don't sit here
playing girl scout and pretend the hostility is just for kicks.



posted on Oct, 12 2012 @ 08:41 PM
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posted on Oct, 12 2012 @ 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by Tw0Sides

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
Joe Biden is not a practising Catholic. A Bishop said he should not be receiving Communion. You can not be a practising Catholic and vote Pro-Choice. Same goes with Nancy Pelosi.
You are not a Catholic,so you no nothing of what you speak, again.

As a Catholic, I am free to choose any side of the Abortion debate.

Please go speak your Bull%#&% somewhere else.


I have been Catholic all but two weeks of my life. I stopped practising for a few years (meaning - I stopped going to Church weekly) and returned in 2010. I am as Catholic as they come, friend.

Should you have any questions about the Catholic Church's teaching try: forums.catholic.com...






edit on 10/12/2012 by sad_eyed_lady because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 12 2012 @ 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by MidnightTide
From the looks of this thread the socialists are getting rather aggressive, aren't they?





and for good reason.

their candidates are floundering big time.

there's nothing left but panic and static.



posted on Oct, 12 2012 @ 09:02 PM
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though you have to wonder to what extent they are willing to go to win, or what they will do as it becomes more obvious that their man won't get his second term.



posted on Oct, 12 2012 @ 09:29 PM
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Things that have gone through my head are rigged voting machines, get the vote out rallies at cemeteries, martial law for whatever reason, etc. With Chicago politics you should never underestimate the possibilities.



posted on Oct, 12 2012 @ 09:42 PM
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Socialitsts? LOL
Thats such a sheeple attempt at insult.

Like it's a bad thing 1st off...
second off dems are not socialist, neither are liberals... i wish they were.
edit on 12-10-2012 by Kali74 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 12 2012 @ 09:50 PM
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Dear queenannie38,

Thank you very much not only for taking the time to find a report I hadn't seen, but also for showing me how to get a .pdf into a post. Your thoughtfulness and kindness in the midst of this thread is greatly appreciated.

If I understand the basic concept correctly, I'm assuming that our SS tax money goes into D.C. where it is used to pay benefits to the elderly (OASI) and disabled (DI). Any money that is not used for that purpose is lent to the government which puts bonds (or IOUs) into an account. The government then promises to give cash for those IOUs when SS needs it. For most of SS's existence the total of the IOUs have been growing, but things have changed. The demands on the system are growing due to increased requirements and less income to pay for them.

As I was going through the report which you kindly provided, I was struck by the comments in the overview on pages 2 and 3 of the report (Pages I-Don't-Know-What of the .pdf)

In 2011, Social Security’s cost continued to exceed both the program’s tax income and its non-interest income, a trend that the Trustees project to continue throughout the short-range period and beyond. The 2011 deficit of tax income relative to cost was $148 billion, and the projected 2012 deficit is $165 billion.
They're saying that for the last couple of years, at least, the SS tax wasn't covering their expenses so they've had to ask the government to start giving them cash for the IOUs to make ends meet. In 2012, the government will have to cough up $165 billion.

The Trustees project that the assets of the OASI Trust Fund and of the combined OASI and DI Trust Funds will be adequate over the next 10 years under the intermediate assumptions. However, the projected assets of the DI Trust Fund decline steadily, fall below 100 percent of annual cost by the beginning of 2013, and continue to decline until the trust fund is exhausted in 2016.
They're pointing out that the two funds combined will have enough IOUs in the fund during the next 10 years at least, but the DI (disability) trust fund will be completely wiped out in four years.

The Trustees project that annual cost will exceed non-interest income throughout the long-range period under the intermediate assumptions. The dollar level of the combined trust funds declines beginning in 2021 until assets are exhausted in 2033.
Basically, all Social Security trust funds will be gone in 20 years and the money coming in for payroll taxes at the time will require cutting benefits to 3/4 of what they are now.

If I'm misunderstanding you, I'd love to explore any areas that I might not be addressing well. But I think you can see why many are worried about SS, and why it's a legitimate issue for national discussion.

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Oct, 12 2012 @ 10:36 PM
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Gym rat for President!

And I thought that being able to field dress a moose was the only requirement for this office.



posted on Oct, 12 2012 @ 11:05 PM
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Add this one to the file. I must admit he was baffling me with the bull#.

Biden: “Syria Is Five Times Bigger Than Libya” – Reality: Libya Is 679,362 Square Miles, Syria Only 71,500…
therightnewz.com...



posted on Oct, 12 2012 @ 11:32 PM
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accurate portrayal of the posters in this thread whose hackles are raised......and that they are unable, or unwilling to educate themselves in the dangers of socialism....well, lets just say I am glad when their attempts at gaining control are derailed.



posted on Oct, 12 2012 @ 11:59 PM
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Originally posted by DarkSecret

as long as a fetus is not able to live outside the mom's body it's not a viable human being and thus not murder.


Thank you all knowing one for determining what is a living human....I feel so much better now.



good luck with that, keep wishing for personhood and abortion/contraception bans!


I guess you are right...humans cannot survive without big Government controlling our every move. I would just hate to think some girl that doesn't get free abortions and pills just might go out with her boyfriend and splurge on a rubber.

Why do you think they would be responsible with government free stuff and not without it? They either will or will not and using taxes to support their sexual lifestyle will not make them responsible.



posted on Oct, 13 2012 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by buddhasystem
Gym rat for President!

And I thought that being able to field dress a moose was the only requirement for this office.


I must go to bed it is late. My eyes read field dress a mouse.



posted on Oct, 13 2012 @ 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by Tw0Sides

As a Catholic, I am free to choose any side of the Abortion debate.

Please go speak your Bull%#&% somewhere else.


So you can pick and choose which sins are ok now? Last time I look an abortion was a sin...is that not true?



posted on Oct, 13 2012 @ 12:51 AM
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Hey right wing, remember Romney's awful condescending rude behavior at the first presidential debate that was 10x worse than anything Biden did? Or are you just going to pretend to forget about that?



posted on Oct, 13 2012 @ 01:00 AM
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Could you please tell me how a liberal is a socialist, by definition they mean the direct opposite of each other? You're speaking in doublespeak like most right wingers do because they stay uneducated. If you're going to go on socialism then at least learn what it is.

Liberal = capitalists that believe in a social safety net
Socialist = economic system where the workers own the means of production and govern themselves



posted on Oct, 13 2012 @ 01:14 AM
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I hope you were kidding. Direct participation in a procured abortion results in instant excommunication. Please allow me to post some excerpts from the Catholic Catechism.

2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:

2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae," "by the very commission of the offense," and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law. The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.
Biden may or may not ever have procured an abortion for anyone, I don't know. But if he has, the penalty is clear, and I hope he is reconciled to the Church. But what about indirect aid such as voting for laws, etc.?

2273 "The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. . . . As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child's rights."

2286 Scandal can be provoked by laws or institutions, by fashion or opinion.

Therefore, they are guilty of scandal who establish laws or social structures leading to the decline of morals and the corruption of religious practice, or to "social conditions that, intentionally or not, make Christian conduct and obedience to the Commandments difficult and practically impossible."

2287 Anyone who uses the power at his disposal in such a way that it leads others to do wrong becomes guilty of scandal and responsible for the evil that he has directly or indirectly encouraged.

www.vatican.va...

Biden can say he is for removing restrictions on abortion, and supporting abortion on demand, but for the life of me I can't see how he can claim to be a practicing Catholic at the same time.



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