Vice Presidential Debate Discussion Thread

Originally posted by aethertek

See you in November.

He wasn't just smiling, he was rude, condescending, obnoxious, annoying and laughing about everything this country is currently experiencing.
What the hell is so funny about 23 million unemployed people, the economy, the Benghazi attack.
Seems what Obama considers a bump in the road, Uncle Joe sees as a punch line.

He was an angry, old, balding white guy who at times even directed his anger at the female moderator.

By the Media's definition, he should be a Republican.

Maybe we should round up the extreme left and right wings of this two pony show and exterminate them...they seem to be the reason we can't make progress. If you are a centrist or center left/center right...you have within you the capacity to compromise for the good f the "many"...if you are an extremist...you represent a paltry few...maybe they need to be eliminated so progress and cooperation can occur. I like it! I am happy to support this idea!...night-night idiots!

/end sarcasm...but consider this...someone is going to win...someone is going to lose...are you ready for what comes after that?

reply to post by charles1952


Here is the latest report. Check page 14 for numbers.


The trust funds DO exist...there is money in them...and most of it is funded by payroll taxes.

Originally posted by Jeremiah65

But swear an oath?...Like that matters...these dudes would lie in front of the pearly gates if they thought for a second they would get away with it. There is no integrity. There is no fear of repercussion. Both of these parties are filled with liars, cheaters and scoundrels. Asking them to swear an oath is cheapening the value of an"oath" for the rest of us. It would not matter.

I have to agree. The most important thing to these scum is winning at all costs. How can they swear an oath when they can later parse their words and debate what the definition of "is" is. It would indeed be meaningless.

reply to post by Alxandro


What? You didn't like 85% of America being represented by the Democrat VP? cause get a clue right now...that IS how most Americans behave...maybe you think you are above it...but...only in your own mind...guarantee you have acted the same way and insulted someone else.

Originally posted by Alxandro

Originally posted by aethertek

See you in November.

He wasn't just smiling, he was rude, condescending, obnoxious, annoying and laughing about everything this country is currently experiencing.
What the hell is so funny about 23 million unemployed people, the economy, the Benghazi attack.
Seems what Obama considers a bump in the road, Uncle Joe sees as a punch line.

He was an angry, old, balding white guy who at times even directed his anger at the female moderator.

By the Media's definition, he should be a Republican.

We'll put you down as an undecided voter.

Next?

Biden won this debate in a walk. Ryan was out of his league imo.

I think next time they should skip the lies and the insults and just put some boxing gloves on. They can do a tag team boxing match. Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney vs Obama and Joe Biden.

Better yet, why don't we disqualify the first person to tell a lie, and choose 20 ATS members as fact checkers?

reply to post by Jeremiah65


Wow, I cant believe you are defending such behavior.
If most Americans think that type of behavior is normal, then no wonder this country is in the shape it is.
Sad and pathetic if you ask me.

reply to post by campanionator

How about Paul Ryan complaining about the stimulus and then we find out the greasy SOB

Yes, that was definitely a point for Biden and everyone knows that. I would be interested to know what grants Ryan was asking for. It sure can't be as bad as the stuff Obama spends on....but look, schools and colleges give grants all the time, so if college kids want to scream bloody murder that they can't get an education or loans, who are they going to blame? Who is Occupy going to blame on this? Will they blame Ryan for getting grants? You just cannot have your cake and eat it too, which is what the Obama/Biden team keep doing. Also, since Ryan wants to work across the aisle with Democrats( he said so last night and pledged that for his team), Biden cannot criticize him for the very things his own team does so easily. The Obama team and the Progressives absolutely did not work in a bi-partisan way and Republicans dug in. That is the way it was.
Do you have any idea what the Obama/Biden Progressive team is spending stimulus money on? You should try googling it sometime.
If you think that SIECUS sex education for kindergartners is good stimulus spending, by all means you should commend Obama team for that. SIECUS bragged even on their website they were getting stimulus funds. So, in my view, college grants trump sex education for children who should really not be sexualized at such an early age, but conservatives know that this is all part of the Progressive plan to sexualized children younger and younger. It is also part of the Progressive plan to place a wedge between parental authority and children so the children listen to Uncle Sam and not their parents. This is part of the marxist plan.
The fact came out this week that the Progressives refuse to even cut that nutty Sesame Street from funding. It is time we started looking at the stuff the govt spends on and why.
Let me just explain that a bit. I read that Sesame Street was an MK Ultra program(after all this is a conspiracy site is it not?) and that we do not know what kind of programming is stealthily happening to these kids. For all we know they could be growing up to be little James Holmes mass murderers at the behest of the Shadow Govt. So, in this light, Progressives of course do not wish this kind of programming be cut because they want their little socialist automatons.
Next, let's have a look at what else the Obama govt spends on. Did you ever hear of the HITECH Act? Maybe not. I did because I was at an ISSA meeting where I heard a presentation on it. Basically, the HITECH Act was for the upgrading of information systems databases of health care providers in order to secure them from any possible data breaches, but what this means is that there will be penalties for breaches, up to 1 million dollars in penalty fines, and auditors can get a cut if they find a breach. The govt gets fine money, and the person whose data was exposed gets no compensation whatever. Next, this makes network administrators and CEO's equally responsible for breaches. Then there is the overhead for the bureaucracy of enforcing the Act. So that is where the serious spendinng comes in, from the bureacratic overhead and also for individual companies seeking to upgrade their systems.
So what does any of this really mean? It means more bureacratic spending and more Big Brother. What, you say now people's data will be more secure? I doubt it. Network admins and security officers are working very hard already to secure data. Slapping fines on administrators only adds stress to their lives and may cause hesitation to even be in that area(healthcare). But let's look at what else HITECH is for. It is for the continuing development of Big Brother's healthcare database.
Here is what wikipedia says about the Act.

The Health Information Technology for Economic and Clinical Health Act, abbreviated HITECH Act, was enacted under Title XIII of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (Pub.L. 111-5). At the time it was enacted, it was considered "the most important piece of health care legislation to be passed in the last 20 to 30 years"[1] and the "foundation for health care reform."[1][2] Under the HITECH Act, the United States Department of Health and Human Services is spending $25.9 billion to promote and expand the adoption of health information technology.[3] The Washington Post reported the inclusion of "as much as $36.5 billion in spending to create a nationwide network of electronic health records."[4]

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So you see, there is a reason why the Obama admin won't cut spending. Because Obama team is Big Brother, and Big Brother wants BIg Govt and the Orwellian society.

None of this of course will be evident from a debate like last night.

Originally posted by AnarchysAngel
I think next time they should skip the lies and the insults and just put some boxing gloves on. They can do a tag team boxing match. Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney vs Obama and Joe Biden.

Better yet, why don't we disqualify the first person to tell a lie, and choose 20 ATS members as fact checkers?

It is a given that both sides will fib a little here and fib a little there just to make their point.
Some of these will be ignored due to media bias and others will be amplified for the same reason.

The ones that will make a difference are the whoppers, and Uncle Joe was the burger king last night.

I'm sure Obama is either bowing down to him at this moment, or kicking his Democrat Ass (insert Dem mascot here)

Originally posted by HostileApostle
reply to post by daryllyn

 

I'm not hearing a lot of positive things about Biden.

Depends on who you are listening to, and I can guess who you are listening to if you aren't hearing a lot of positives.

Yeah yeah, I know...no one is "endorsing" Romney/Ryan this morning. No one wants to endorse a beaten down candidate. It's so funny.

You know what they say about assuming, don't you?

I don't have cable/satellite, so I am often left in the dark when it comes to MSM coverage. I watched a few minutes of the post debate commentary and that was it. I was referring to what I was seeing here on ATS, and what I was seeing on my Facebook feed from friends and family.

Please don't assume that I am onboard with the Romney Ryan ticket just because I pointed out that Biden acted less than professional during what should have been a serious matter that demands serious behavior. The fact that he was seemingly unable to control his laughter and was unable to restrain himself from the constant interruptions, is worrisome.

My kids are more well behaved than he was during the debate.

I'm not onboard with either party after seeing the presidential and vice presidential debates.

In other words, Companionator, the HITECH Act was preliminary STIMULUS spending and legislation to support OBAMCARE before OBAMACARE was even passed.
Just to be sure, this is really not to secure patient data, but to allow for the development of a new bureacratic database which, instead of securing patient data, will actually expose it to many many more people.

According to an HHS rule, under the HITECH Act the HIPAA release now makes patient information records available to 701,325 entities and 1.5 million business associates without patient consent.[5][6] Blackford Middleton, a physician and Harvard professor, has declared, "Finally, we're going to have access to millions and millions of patient records online,"[4] and "This is the biggest step for health-care information technology in this country's history."[4]

So yah if you like Big Brother intrusion into your personal life, I'd say the Obama team really won with this move.

reply to post by Jeremiah65

What? You didn't like 85% of America being represented by the Democrat VP?

Where did you pull that number out of? Oh never mind, I know where it came from. At least Ryan has real numbers and they are not coming out his #@@

If anyone thought that Ryan won the debate, they didn't see or hear the same debate I did. The guy was totally out of his depth.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
If anyone thought that Ryan won the debate, they didn't see or hear the same debate I did. The guy was totally out of his depth.

Sometimes less is more. I think so in Ryan's case, as it would be very boring for him to talk numbers specifically and no one would probably get it.
On the other hand, Biden has a problem with diarrhea of the mouth, and I noticed a number of times he either did not finish his sentence trailing off into nowhere, or he cut off mid-word. He is not the articulate person people are making him out to be. In fact I think Ryan is the more articulate one. (unless you think that not finishing one statement before jumping into something else makes good debate)

Not sure how anyone can say either candidate won... They do these debates to sway the independent voter and i doubt Biden/Paul won over any independents last night... The Left/Right voters aren't changing their mind based off last night

Thank you Biden for turning off about 65% of the American population. On the bright side, your far left-wing liberal base loved you!

Originally posted by Jeremiah65
reply to post by Alxandro

 

What? You didn't like 85% of America being represented by the Democrat VP? cause get a clue right now...that IS how most Americans behave...maybe you think you are above it...but...only in your own mind...guarantee you have acted the same way and insulted someone else.

Bidens plan was to laugh, make sounds and interupt Ryan whenever possible so the American people would not hear a quality debate. I would be majorly concerned if he were in charge of our nuclear weapons.

Originally posted by Alxandro
reply to post by Jeremiah65

 

Wow, I cant believe you are defending such behavior.
If most Americans think that type of behavior is normal, then no wonder this country is in the shape it is.
Sad and pathetic if you ask me.

Don't get me wrong. I am not defending it...I am stating the painful truth. Brash and bullish behavior is the new norm. If someone disagrees with you, just talk over top of them until they give up...

You are right, it's sad and pathetic. It would be nice if people could have decent conversations and even to the point of debate. But most people are so convinced "their side" is right, they will not even give the common courtesy as to hear what the other side has to say. Perhaps they are afraid they might hear something that brings their views into question...I really don't know why it is the way it is.

I apologize if I was accusing you. I misunderstood your post I guess. I thought you were just railing at Biden for walking on Ryan...I was mistaken. You are correct though. The whole process is flawed and broken. When two people cannot have a "meeting of the minds" about conflicting issues...we have far deeper problems than a deficit or unemployment.