Forbidden fruit and ego. Is there a connection?

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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God is nothing but he twists around and as he does so this happens 0 into 8. If God were not ashamed he would not be 'self' conscious.
The 8 is not permanent it fluctuates between the 0 and the 8, when you sleep the 'self' disappears.

edit on 12-10-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

I definitely wasn't sleeping.

I said trance but it wasn't
It was like experience a movie but not watching it but actually being in it and it wasn't just a vision the sensations overpowered the visuals in such a way I can't describe.

Ah, so the fruit of knowledge of good and evil - is what created ego, isn't it?

So ego is KNOWLEDGE and IGNORANCE is not having ego....

reply to post by Fichorka


You must establish that ego is a product of having the "eyes opened". Being ashamed of being naked may not be an ego sorced understanding. Like maybe man always had an ego to but didnt know it, just like he was naked and didnt know it.

Ego looks like something, like other attributes of man, that can or cannot be fouled up. "ego" as we know may simply be the bad end of a good thing.

We have traditional ideas about the way folks act when they are "egoed" up. This most very often has to do with the way a person sees themselves in comparison to others. Thus the person "sees" themselves but not in relation to all things. This "seeing", also called a form of blindness, is what gets folks 'egoed' up.

Remember that the tree was the tree of the knowlege of good and evil. It may be that Adam didnt understand how hot Eve looked untill he saw her naked. Same with ego. One could say that "humbel' folks are simply aware of their naked self so they cover the self, tame the self. Ego is to self what porno is to nakedness. Yet still the burden of the knowlege of good and evil corrupts everything. You cant even be humbel without knowing your not.

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Kill internal dialogue and ego goes. The bible is correct we die becuase we have an ego. Death is a concpept a word, It faces us like a religion of impending doom. Without ego we sense like infinite beings. We have no concept of never being here.. It gets even better when you work out the snake is kundalini...

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
So if they hadn't eaten the fruit they could be immortal and have no reason to reproduce other than possibly loneliness, and they would still be alive today and toiling about the garden of Eden.

Logically thinking, anyway.

Yea but they didnt know they were "toiling". In fact the word itself as we know it represents the sin relavant to knowlege.

Originally posted by abeverage
Ok I get your line of reasoning. However I do not wish to simply be a created automaton, in that what exactly were we before "The Fall"?

The Ego may keep me from being controlled or manipulated to remove it might be like a mental slavery.

The consept of being an atomation is another idea born out of mans corrupted mind......showing again how corrupted man really became when he gained knowlege.

Aparently man was not made with the capacity to handle knowlege the same way the 'gods' were. They apparently, but not all, could eat the fruit and still have the capacity to deal with the knowlege. After eating the fruit of that tree man was blocked from eating from the tree of life, as the gods said, "least he become like we are". Apparently that would be a being not subject to death after taking on the sin nature which was the result of knowlege in man.

We dont really know but Satan may have fallen do to eating the fruit himself. Otherwise we must believe that the angles or gods as some have it, fell away from the Father due to becoming self aware some other way. It is said of satan that he sought to lift himself up above his station in the creation and become "God" but was slaped down to earth. At the time of the garden satan had to watch these humans be given control over the earth. Satan knew if he could get man to eat that we would be fouled up like he was and he would gain control over the earth and humans at large by mans new found knowlege of evil, while most of the dealing God and good angles had with men early on was an appeal to the knowlege of "good".......an appeal which apparently found little succsess outside of individuals and then only after they understood thier real condition.

Originally posted by purplemer
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Kill internal dialogue and ego goes. The bible is correct we die becuase we have an ego. Death is a concpept a word, It faces us like a religion of impending doom. Without ego we sense like infinite beings. We have no concept of never being here.. It gets even better when you work out the snake is kundalini...

Remove ego and all you see is that you are doomed and need someone to come save you. That you need reconccilation with the creator.Thinking that ego removal is enough is high ego indeed.

Originally posted by Logarock

We dont really know but Satan may have fallen do to eating the fruit himself. Otherwise we must believe that the angles or gods as some have it, fell away from the Father due to becoming self aware some other way. It is said of satan that he sought to lift himself up above his station in the creation and become "God" but was slaped down to earth. At the time of the garden satan had to watch these humans be given control over the earth. Satan knew if he could get man to eat that we would be fouled up like he was and he would gain control over the earth and humans at large by mans new found knowlege of evil, while most of the dealing God and good angles had with men early on was an appeal to the knowlege of "good".......an appeal which apparently found little succsess outside of individuals and then only after they understood thier real condition.

Satan is not necessarily viewed as a living being. Satan means duality, it is equivalent to "Maya" in indian religions, wich means "illusion", centered on the fact that we do not experience the environment itself but rather a projection of it, created by us.
That's what it is - Illusion, or subjective reality, as opposed to God - objective reality.

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Yea I have heard all that before but dont busy any of it. That is I hold satan is real, a real being ect.

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Remove ego and all you see is that you are doomed and need someone to come save you. That you need reconccilation with the creator.Thinking that ego removal is enough is high ego indeed.

I think you are missing me here.. There is no thinking involved. Try for yourself and see.. Some things can only be experienced directly. Words fail. Just ten minutes stop thinking and observe you and your surroundings..

Originally posted by Logarock

Yea I have heard all that before but dont busy any of it. That is I hold satan is real, a real being ect.

edit on 15-10-2012 by Logarock because: s

'Satan' means 'duality'. And yes, perhaps Satan is alive, could be that Satan was the first living being who expirienced reality other than God's (objective reality). And that's why duality/subjective reality (dualism) is called after Satan.
You do realize that we live in a subjective reality, and our realities are opposed to subjective realities of other people, wich is in fact - DUALISM meaning - Satan. Perhaps, that's why the Bible says that we are the beast and our number is 666!

Here! ... The Wisdom is ... The-One having Reason ... let-him-calculate the Number of-the Beast ... for it-is a-Number of-a-Man ... and The Number of-it ... 666.

EDIT: Please research Satan and Maya

The Ego is not a foe to underestimate. There are a spectrum of definitions for Ego. Most people equate it to mean alter personality, some people think it means a false definition or concept of self. But in it's true meaning, the Ego is Your thoughts, and everything you see, taste, hear and touch. So to rid yourself of your ego, can simply be done by physically leaving your body.

But, as the Buddha and many other wise sages, have said. It is not necessary to rid yourself of your mind. For two reason, one is because it is impossible to do permanently. And two, because it does not produce the joy and peace you are seeking.

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Meditation and enlightenment occur differently for different people. When you encode information in your memory you link it a certain way. Personally like most type P's I tend to Velcro music, fiction and even historic information rather than make concrete connections.

Meditation for me is often more like following my bliss down the road less traveled. When I find a place that has an interesting symmetry or underlying form I stop and meditate. There was one incident where I really got a chance to see how the ego works. I noticed someone had encoded a clever linear algebra equation into an old long abandoned site near where I live. Meditation is not that different than what a mathematician does trying to solve an equation. Sometimes you have to try a lot of different mental acrobatics to see the problem in a stepwise manner. That often means temporarily leaving the critical mind and letting it tumble in that part of your brain that handles transpositions,anagrams, music etc.

So anyways i'm looking at this old abandoned puzzle and I notice some digits from a denominator i've seen somewhere before. Maybe something from Ramanujans part of the forest. The trees are tumbling around making different patterns when all of sudden lightning strikes.

Usually that just means you found something and need to transfer the intermediate result back to where your temperal lobes help with the critical thinking process to see if its a real solution or not. This time before I could get back lightening strikes again,and again. Its like the whole part of the forest you are currently viewing is know longer there. Your ego still has everything linked the way it was a second ago but you realize you are at some kind of ground zero just after a nuclear bomb has gone off and all you are looking at is teller light!

This is where the meditation pays off and as you say, if you don't stop making free associations and start focusing your thoughts under the critical minds control all hell breaks loose. When you see something like this where a tidal wave of information suddenly seems to relink to a single critical "tree of knowledge" it goes beyond grabbing a figment of your imagination to cover the hole. Fortunately for me Edgar Allan Poes Maelstrom came to mind. Very strange meditation looking up through the center of that vortex with all the history relinking itself. The sense of calm as you realize you are not alone and other UFOnauts have made the same journey.

Great thread! and I agree ego is going to be a real problem with disclosure, so we need to keep training.

sounds like something magic mushrooms would do to you