'Out of Greece!': Special forces march in uniform, chant in anti-Merkel protest

Scores of Greek soldiers gathered in Athens to protest the German Chancellor's visit . People in the street supported the soldiers with rousing cheers.Many Greeks blame Germans for introducing drastic austerity program in their country .

Scores of commandos, sailors and paratroopers in their uniforms gathered in Athens on the day of the German Chancellor’s visit – but not to help with keeping the peace. Instead, they staged a march, chanting “Merkel, out of Greece!

Marching in formation, they also chanted "Together, together, Nazis get out!"

Merkel came to Athens for another round of austerity talks with the country's prime minister. It was her first visit to the country in three years.

reply to post by Octagon


yeah - blame the germans - not the greeks who dug them selves into the hole

I never knew the nazis were still in power. I guess Hitler did escape and gave birth to Angela Merkel. Amazing the things you can learn from an angry mob.

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
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yeah - blame the germans - not the greeks who dug them selves into the hole

Yeah, well the Greeks remember being occupied by the Germans in WWII, and that experience did nothing for their GDP. In addition, it is in large part German banks that made bad loans to Greece and other european countries, which the taxpayers are now having to bail out. So it is like the bail out of US banks; the banks made mistakes and now the people have to pay for the banks' mistakes and the banks get their butts covered by the governments and taxpayers. And yes, some of these governments, such as Greece, borrowed from the banks, but who do you think lobbied the politicians to make the government take out loans? Right, the banks. And I am going to stick my neck out and guess that the rich, including high financiers, in Greece and other countries have -- like in the US -- fought to reduce tax rates on the rich.

Moreover, the austerity measures the Germans are demanding call for the Greeks to have a 6-day work week. How this will help is beyond me. If everybody is working all the time, no one will have time to buy anything; never mind that making people work 14% more per week will just sap them of energy. The problem as is, is that there is not enough work to make the system pay for itself; making everybody work that much more is going to do nothing to help.

Evidently in Greece, the military side with the citizens over the government, which is not the case in the US, where the police domestically and the military overseas have become the goons of the establishment.

Originally posted by MrInquisitive

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
reply to post by Octagon

 

yeah - blame the germans - not the greeks who dug them selves into the hole

Yeah, well the Greeks remember being occupied by the Germans in WWII, and that experience did nothing for their GDP. In addition, it is in large part German banks that made bad loans to Greece and other european countries, which the taxpayers are now having to bail out.

okay, I found this one interesting: what are those "bad loans" to Greece, why were they accepted and how is this Germanys failure?
Really, of course I am not without bias (look at my location), but I would like to know what the Greece people (or from other countries, too) think of this.

The view in Germany, as made popular by our well-loved mainstreet medias, is the following:

* Greece has a high rate of corruption, preventing them from collecting taxes from nearly every person, not only the rich.

* Greeks were/are having huge benefits from their government, incl. for example a 13th and 14th month salary.

* Greece spent far too much money on leisure lifestyle without backing it with commodities or high GDP, as the Greek government relied on the EU and the Euro to subsidize them forever.

Your view of this?

What were the German errors, generating the current situation?

How can they blame others when their own basic economic behavior has been seriously crippled even before EU and continues to be so.
What EU did wrong was to take these corrupted countries to union at the first place.

When corruption is in that large scale at it is, people in Greece refuses to pay taxes, can´t really blame them doing so when there is no guarantee taxes would be benefical to all.

Taking advantage of the system and system of directives of European Union, lying and manipulating. Very good example is the " Island of Blinds !"

www.ekathimerini.com...

it never ceases to amaze me how there are still people who think it's the peoples fault they are in this predicament.

look folks before passing judgment on "the people" you should first do some basic economic investigating.

it's called Keynesian 101, debt based consumer spending economics. it's global and it's the worlds largest ever ponzi scheme. you take the IMF/Federal Reserve, run by bankers for bankers no surprise there right. they order more money to be made so they can infuse their own banks with it while making bad gambling decisions with your money.

you may ask how is it my money? well whenever a govt. decides to print money and loan it to banks (themselves) they attach interest and that interest must be paid by someone and that someone is "the people", this doesn't even take into consideration the devaluation of said currency by this practice.

it doesn't end there mind you, not only are they making money off of loaning people their own money, but they are hedging it in some cases 100-1 on bad bets and derivatives and when these go bust, they simply get another money infusion from the FED/IMF and the game continues until you have entire countries strapped with un-payable debt created out of thin air by the bankers.

this one should make you laugh but i'm sure Italians aren't laughing. when Spain, Greece, France or any other EU country needs a bail out the IMF is gracious enough to loan it to the other countries at 6% interest and FORCE them to loan it to the ailing country at 3% interest so in effect they are doubling down in one fell swoop and who pays for this ill gotten fortune, yep you guessed it "the people".

if you study the situation enough you can see how the global banking cartel has successfully scammed entire nations and unions out of hundreds of trillions of dollars with nothing more than computer strokes for their labor.

P.S. i wanted to add because i think it's pertinent that i put more work into this post than the FED/IMF does in making billions in interest, hows that for reality.

I think the thread title is a bit misleading, it should have read "special" forces, a lot of those guys really put the "special" in special forces. Didn't anyone see the little yellow buses in the background? If those were in fact real Greek "special forces" any time not spent agreeing to EU and German terms is simply wasted.

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
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yeah - blame the germans - not the greeks who dug them selves into the hole

By all means sit here defending the Fourth Estate but do not expect others to agree with you... How did the Greek people dig this hole. This damage has been caused by banking corporations it is not the fault of the Greek people..

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I agree with your view but disagree with this point ...

* Greeks were/are having huge benefits from their government, incl. for example a 13th and 14th month salary.

The Greek salary is not very high to do a real comparison you have to use one complete year. Portugal and other nations also use this type of scheme. In direct comparison it works against the workers, especially those without contracts (or for a full year) these will never get the "extra months" pay. There is then the issue of taxation, those "extra months" are also taxed, especially when you add state social security (a good thing that most Europeans support, even when does not work so great, the alternatives would be worst, the same for education).

These "extra months" are excellent to elude less informed investors, that fail to take in consideration that you can not do direct comparisons as they will show an abysmal difference. (Even with the "extra months" most southern nations have the lowest salaries).

The people in the protest are being instrumentalized and under an idiotic notion, there are no Nazis in Germany (beyond some skinheads, like in much of Europe) they (and France) have strict laws against Nazi revivalists.

Equating Germany with Nazism today is so absurd that I can only attribute it to a bunch of illiterates or deluded fools being used for propaganda (internal, since this will certainly p.o. the Germans, not that they are doing any favors).

Greece has always been very fragmented and politically volatile. I fear that if the pressure continues to be put on the people without clearly informing them why they are in that situation (same thing is happening in any IMF intervened nation, even Ireland) they will get a military dictatorship...

They should go by Iceland default and start to put corrupt military and government in jail, the problem is that there is no social fabric or culture that would prevent a collapse when the state stops function for lack of money, nor personal responsibility to pay the necessary taxes.

I also think that those that put the blame in the German banks for the situation of the world's economy are off the mark, Germany has benefited and worked to that benefit is delaying to commit to a real fix (if that exists) to the EURO situation. I applaud them for not permitting the idiocy of quantitative easing (like in the UK and the US) but can also recognize that in the short term they have benefited from the panic but in the long run it works also badly for them. The nations in trouble should all have defaulted that would show you who is to blame.

I'm all for a system crash and see it as inevitable due to the idiots in power and the citizens alienation from reality (by design), but what you will get afterworlds will not be pretty, you will get your Nazis then...

Gotta remember that the Greek bail out conditions were those of austerity
Cut backs on social security, health care, civil and civic services an increase of working hours, taxes, prices, working age ect ect
The only area where they haven't demanded cut backs is in military spending ...........spending that bail out cash on arms and equipment ............and guess where they buy it from .......that's right, France and GERMANY !

Yes we will give you money from our EUROPE WIDE funded bail out program ...........but you have to spend it on GERMAN products

See how that works !

All of Europe contribute to the bail out ..........Germany ends up with it !

reply to post by KaiserSoze


lol yeah yellow busses

Just like the ones you send your kids to school on !

Not knowing your background I'm inclined to say you don't have a fraggin clue what your talking about, Greek SF are very good troopers.



Sorry, get a little defensive when it comes to these kinda comments

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
reply to post by Octagon

 

yeah - blame the germans - not the greeks who dug them selves into the hole

Blame the banks who gave them the spades.

Originally posted by Neocrusader
Gotta remember that the Greek bail out conditions were those of austerity
Cut backs on social security, health care, civil and civic services an increase of working hours, taxes, prices, working age ect ect
The only area where they haven't demanded cut backs is in military spending ...........spending that bail out cash on arms and equipment ............and guess where they buy it from .......that's right, France and GERMANY !

Yes we will give you money from our EUROPE WIDE funded bail out program ...........but you have to spend it on GERMAN products

See how that works !

All of Europe contribute to the bail out ..........Germany ends up with it !

That is not ... entirely.. correct. Sure, the submarines for example are built based on German industry (although they are built IN Greece), but at least 50% of that money flows to Abu Dhabi Mar Group.

Nevertheless: What we got here is an arms race between Greece and Turkey, as detailed here (NY Times). IF both sides would suspend their expenditures, they would save substantial amounts of cash, obviously.

But.. they wont. They distrust the other just too much. Of course, Germany has a lifely interest in doing weapon trades, but does Greece have to buy SO MUCH? They are the largest arms-importeur in Europe!

reply to post by ManFromEurope


Yes admittedly I over generalised .....but it was to make a point .....and a valid one at that, which I'm sure you agree, that NO real, substantial cuts in military spending have been demanded.
But there is much more than just the subs and the other few items that have been mentioned.

But also with regards to the arms race between turkey and Greece .......they are both NATO members.
Surely this should get your spidey senses tingling ?

Too many people open their traps with out knowing what they are talking about ( in no way aimed at yourself dude )

Proof that light is faster than sound .......they looked bright.......untill they opened their mouths

Originally posted by Neocrusader
reply to post by KaiserSoze

 

lol yeah yellow busses

Just like the ones you send your kids to school on !

Not knowing your background I'm inclined to say you don't have a fraggin clue what your talking about, Greek SF are very good troopers.

Sorry, get a little defensive when it comes to these kinda comments

edit on 11-10-2012 by Neocrusader because: Added

"Greek SF are very good troopers"

I'm sure they are, but I don't think the Greek SF and the guys in the video are the same thing.

Granted, the grey haired fellow may be prematurely grey but he does look a bit old to be SF. I doubt seriously that the Greek military allows obese/morbidly obese members in the SF though. Maybe I "don't have a fraggin clue" what I'm talking about though, so with my apologies I will accept your argument that really is what the Greek SF looks like.

reply to post by KaiserSoze



Admitadly he is rather pudgy
But
He may well be injured and can't burn off the calories he's accustomed to consuming
He may be on a calorie intense diet, for long term deployed ops away from re-sup
He may be a 'specialist' within the force, employed for specific skills or knowledge

I know and have known plenty of horizontally gifted SF ...due to age but mostly due to this calorie collecting, sometimes you never know whee your next re-sup is or when you will have access to real food, literally the 'stored energy' concept
This is something I've struggled with, having a high metabolism I struggle to store fats and find on extended 'deployments' start re-absorbing muscle to fuel my body......not ideal as I'm sure you can appreciate

But they could still run a marathon with 60lbs on their back and still have a fight at the end

And then w hat about these guys
m.nydailynews.com...
www.theworldsstrongestman.com...

It kinda depends on your idea of SF
if your a 'camp commando' where you can eat healthily and get to the gym regular because all your ops are short term...all well and good
However not all SF are like that and not all tasks allow this eating/phys routine

For instance (I'm going to assume your in the US)

Seals/delta tend to do these rapid ops

Where as the green berets spend extended periods deployed from base locations so cram the calories on to have those energy reserves

Sorry if I came across a bit harsh before ......lol yes it was intended....... But I'll admit having one of those days/weeks/years and have seen some rather ignorant posts here recently that has kinda rubbed me the wrong way

No excuse I know .....however apologies
X and hug

reply to post by Neocrusader

Thanks but I'm happy for now and got involved into something that I need members a bit more stronger than me to help... That is the major problem, your own low level is keeping your team back, invest in the tavern drinks to level up faster...

You sir do not know what you are talking about. In the EU you can not restrict/promote purchases or even foment actions that are in any way a special treatment toward a specific nation.

This is even the core of the problem, a nation has to use taxes to promote or prevent imports/exports and that works toward all external nations (or in accordance with EU export directives). No EU nation is given special treatment (and to a point they should have).

The only way Germany is benefiting is in migrants (especially qualified ones that have no future at home, this was a necessity Germany had) and since German economy is still doing well they get the funds that are escaping from other nations, the German state is now borrowing at negative rates (can you imagine if you could do the same?).

Beyond that there is no other benefit the Germans get besides seeing that they get some return on the money that they are owed from Greece (that they would lose if Greece defaulted).

reply to post by Panic2k11




Too much WOW ?

France and Germany already had the defence contracts for Greece
So therefore it's not preferential treatment
However don't you find it odd that defence spending is one if the few areas that has not been requested to be cut ......when you consider where that money goes

Again all of Europe have contributed to these bail out funds
Funds that are then paid to France and Germany in these defence contracts

Europe contributed ......Germany and France get everyones cash in the end ( yes not all of it )

But having looked at your previous posts I get the distinct impression you MAY be German

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Yes you commented here too

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
reply to post by Octagon

 

yeah - blame the germans - not the greeks who dug them selves into the hole

Actually the whole problem was the Euro and very very cheap credit to all countries....
It was so cheap because of the need to entice all countries into the fiasco we are seeing now.

A real shame and a real sham too.

They are correct in blaming Merkel and Company for their woes.
Regards, Iwinder