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Originally posted by MrInquisitive
Originally posted by neo96
Originally posted by campanionator
Originally posted by Sparky63
reply to post by MrInquisitive
There is no proof that it was the budget cuts that prevented them from providing adequate security. In fact the hearing made it clear that the budget had little if nothing to do with the decision made.
Right here, sorry
www.huffingtonpost.com...
So where do HR bills end up?
Do they not go to the Senate then signed in to law by those other 2 branches ?
Why yes they are anything the Senate wants they add in,
The left owns Benghazi.
Huh? You obviously have no idea of how the US government works. The House and Senate have to agree on a bill. The Senate has filibustering, so that a super majority of 60 senators is necessary to override what the other side wants, and the compromise bill has to satisfy both the House and Senate. So as it is, the Senate budget has to pretty much conform to Republicans' desires and it most certainly has to be close to what the House wants. After they agree on a compromise bill the president signs or vetoes it. Given the make up of the two houses of congress during this time, the president didn't have a lot of choice. Remember the drawn-out fights on the budget bill and how Obama was essentially extorted into continuing the Bush II tax cuts for the rich, which he didn't want? THAT budget bill including this State Department funding cut. So no, the Benghazi attacks aren't owned by the left; the Republicans are responsible for having cut the security budget by $500 million over two years, including the period in which this attack occurred.
That's the thing about you right-wingers, you cannot except any blame for anything, and must blame it all on your political rivals. Tell me this one thing: do you blame the right for the massive security failure that was 9/11? If not, then you have no business saying anything in this thread nor in any other thread blaming Obama/the Democrats/the left for the relatively small possible security failure involving the Benghazi attack. Can you dig it, Mr. Gasmask?
Originally posted by Sparky63
So what does this have to do with the deaths on Benghazi? Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for International Programs Charlene Lamb admitted that her decision had nothing to do with budget restraints.
Your argument has no legs
Originally posted by Sparky63
Originally posted by campanionator
It was the GOP who is in fund cutting mode
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The Democrats tried to restore funding
House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012. (Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88 million of the administration’s request.
So what does this have to do with the deaths on Benghazi? Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for International Programs Charlene Lamb admitted that her decision had nothing to do with budget restraints.
Your argument has no legs.edit on 10/11/2012 by Sparky63 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by campanionator
Originally posted by Sparky63
Originally posted by campanionator
It was the GOP who is in fund cutting mode
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The Democrats tried to restore funding
House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012. (Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88 million of the administration’s request.
So what does this have to do with the deaths on Benghazi? Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for International Programs Charlene Lamb admitted that her decision had nothing to do with budget restraints.
Your argument has no legs.edit on 10/11/2012 by Sparky63 because: (no reason given)
The security presence at the embassy were impacted by budget
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by campanionator
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by campanionator
As usual the GOP made up something that they created in the first place.
Who put us in Libya?
Who?
The GOP didn't so who created what?
There has been an embassy in Libya for decades, that bird don't hunt.
No, who has put us there in a Military force, not embassy.
Originally posted by campanionator
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by campanionator
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by campanionator
As usual the GOP made up something that they created in the first place.
Who put us in Libya?
Who?
The GOP didn't so who created what?
There has been an embassy in Libya for decades, that bird don't hunt.
No, who has put us there in a Military force, not embassy.
The tyranny of a brutal dictator put us there
Keep passing the buck though
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by MrInquisitive
Obama is the president. The buck stops with him.
(at least, it's supposed to)
Originally posted by campanionator
Originally posted by Sparky63
Originally posted by campanionator
It was the GOP who is in fund cutting mode
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The Democrats tried to restore funding
House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012. (Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88 million of the administration’s request.
So what does this have to do with the deaths on Benghazi? Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for International Programs Charlene Lamb admitted that her decision had nothing to do with budget restraints.
Your argument has no legs.edit on 10/11/2012 by Sparky63 because: (no reason given)
The security presence at the embassy were impacted by budget
ine, so then you are also saying that Bush II was completely responsible for letting 9/11 happen, right? Right? RIGHT??? RIGHT????? And it was Reagan's fault for the 250+ marines killed in a suicide bombing attack in Lebanon when there were lapses in the base defenses?
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by campanionator
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by campanionator
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by campanionator
As usual the GOP made up something that they created in the first place.
Who put us in Libya?
Who?
The GOP didn't so who created what?
There has been an embassy in Libya for decades, that bird don't hunt.
No, who has put us there in a Military force, not embassy.
The tyranny of a brutal dictator put us there
Keep passing the buck though
So the dictator ordered the US Military there?
Or was it the grand 0bama?edit on 11-10-2012 by macman because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Sparky63
Originally posted by campanionator
Originally posted by Sparky63
Originally posted by campanionator
It was the GOP who is in fund cutting mode
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'
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The Democrats tried to restore funding
House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012. (Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88 million of the administration’s request.
So what does this have to do with the deaths on Benghazi? Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for International Programs Charlene Lamb admitted that her decision had nothing to do with budget restraints.
Your argument has no legs.edit on 10/11/2012 by Sparky63 because: (no reason given)
The security presence at the embassy were impacted by budget
If you believe it, Prove it. The Obama administration does not agree with you.
Originally posted by campanionator
I guess you believe in dictators -
I'm glad the US and the president ousted dictators in Libya and Egypt
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by MrInquisitive
ine, so then you are also saying that Bush II was completely responsible for letting 9/11 happen, right? Right? RIGHT??? RIGHT????? And it was Reagan's fault for the 250+ marines killed in a suicide bombing attack in Lebanon when there were lapses in the base defenses?
Had Gore won in 2000 9-11 still would have happened.
edit on 11-10-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by campanionator
I'm glad the US and the president ousted dictators in Libya and Egypt
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by campanionator
I guess you believe in dictators -
I'm glad the US and the president ousted dictators in Libya and Egypt
That is not my question.
You stated that a brutal dictator sent them.
That really doesn't sound right, does it.
WHO order the US Military there?
Was it the Dictator, or was it 0bama?
I will wait to read a simple response.
Originally posted by macman
Originally posted by campanionator
I'm glad the US and the president ousted dictators in Libya and Egypt
SO, you are then glad we went in and got rid of Saddam, right?
Getting rid of them is not the job of the US and its Military.
Originally posted by campanionator
Actually this is what I said
"The tyranny of a brutal dictator put us there"
Originally posted by Wildbob77
Here is an article that discusses how the embassy in Vienna (a real security hotspot) got some Chevy Volts while security in Libya was cut.
Article
I think that people need to understand what really happened. I also think that we, as a country, need to hold people responsible and when people screw up, they need to be fired.
You can't support incompetence in important positions.