reply to post by forwhatitsworth2u
Your posts are full of misinformation.
Well Let's check
Sudafed tablets that conatain DXM also contain acetaminophen
You should have attempted to varify some of the things you said before you called me out as spreading disinfo.
Here is the product page for Sudafed. Click around, notice the range of products.
I found one really quick that shows you were incorrect. Here is one that contains DXM an no Acetaminophen.
Someone that took enough of these tablets to achieve a high dose DXM experience would also be OD'ing on the very hepatotoxic acetaminophen.
He'd have much more than the police to worry about...
Let's think critically about this. If kids were not able to consume enough DXM without dying from acetaminophen, why do many people claim otherwise
all over the web?? Why is it Sudafed has this link right on their page about people getting high on DXM??
(directly from their site) stopmedicineabuse.org...
Let's take a look at another one of their products.
250mg Acetamophin, 10mg DXM
Max Acetamophin dose is 4000mg:
Recreational DXM dose ranges from 100-300mg.
So with that product at the starting recreational dose of DXM you are at a little more than half the Acetaminophen max (2500).
It's obviously not health for the liver.. Again, many people dose on DXM (even the products that contain acetaminophen). If this always lead to death
people on drug forums would not be discussing its recreational use.
Aside from that, like PCP, DXM is a dissociative anesthetic at high doses, but its effects before an anesthetic dose do not resemble those of
PCP, whatsoever. Not even a little.
Where did I claim otherwise?
In fact I was quite clear the dose needed to be high.
A person on a high enough dose of DXM (I have to facepalm as I type this...) that would allow the mindset for person to kill his family would
also prohibit the person from walking, let alone loading and aiming a gun.
So you're saying if someone takes a high enough dose of DXM to experience the dissociative effects they would be unable to load a gun i.e basic motor
All I can say is you clearly are not researched. I don't believe I can post links directly to the kinds of forums that would show inaccurate you are,
but I welcome you to look.
That said, I offered my idea the high would be more of a catalyst then a cause (dude was a little crazy to begin with). That's debatable
though....dissociate effects can really cause a disconnect from reality.
Even on a medium-high dose a person's speech becomes EXTREMELY slurred (think very, very, drunk), and motor function is severely
Last time I experienced someone at a high DXM dose (person took about 275mg) this person thought his cat was the creator of the Universe, but was able
to tell me about it and smoke a cigarette with me. One needs to keep in mind this all depends on whether it was DXM alone or if it was DXM with an
assortment of other chemicals. Once again, some research on your part would quickly give you a more truthful look at the recreational experiences of
high dosage of isolated DXM, or the affects of coupling that the various other chemicals often present.
Which did the one in the OP take. Don't know.
Also, I was speaking generally about DXM too. There other companies that sell DXM isolated in gelcaps.
Your DXM theory fails on two fronts: First, the drugs he took that might have contained DXM also contain another drug that would have killed
him had he taken enough to achieve a high dose DXM experience.
Second, the effects of DXM are absolutely nothing like you say
You're contradicting yourself. You already said high dose DXM is a dissociative. Which is what I said.
Now, lets move on to the allergy medication. Things like benadryl (maybe Zyrtec, not sure) are anticholinergics. These drugs do cause
hallucinations at very high doses, but these kinds of high doses do not happen by accident; nobody accidentally takes half a bottle of
Where did I say purposeful or accidental? I was merely responding to someone with the info anti-histamine can cause hallucinations. Which is well
known. I experienced it myself accidently
. Half a bottle!?? It doesn't take half a bottle. No where close to that....
The amount could also change depending on other chemicals present (such as DXM).
Your allergy medication hypothesis fails, too.
My hypothesis was that it could have been a dissociative dose of DXM.
edit on 18-10-2012 by Lucid Lunacy because: (no reason given)