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Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by jude11
Shows how little you know about me.
I'm presently fighting my state over the Real ID act, and its “real” legal infringements over my states constitution and my legal rights. Your issue is that you don't obviously understand the law, or how it really works. If you did, you'd realize that the state laws give the police the authority to do what they did, and the supreme court has found in favor of these state laws being perfectly fine under our Constitution.
When they banged on the door, I opened it and they could still hear her screaming. When they got her out of the room, she admitted that no one was touching her. She was just mad and screaming.
Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by MrWendal
Very simple:
When they banged on the door, I opened it and they could still hear her screaming. When they got her out of the room, she admitted that no one was touching her. She was just mad and screaming.
You allowed them in the house without giving them any grief, and they were able to “clear the scene” at that time.
1)These folks already had a history of run in's with the police.
2)The wife turned, ran in the house, and tried to close the door, when they gave her the lawful order to stop.
3)On further research, the wife was visibly bleeding from the knuckles.
Whenever you cooperate and are polite with the police, they will normally cooperate and be polite with you. I've had tons of interactions with law enforcement over the years, and never had an issue.
Now if they had detected that there was any abuse going on when they arrived at your door, then they would have arrested either one or both of you. If you're instance would have happened in Florida, even though there was no battery, they would have probably asked you to leave the premises for the night to allow her to cool down. They would have also asked/searched for any weapons. Laws do vary from state to state.
Originally posted by jude11
I understand enough to realize that your posts clearly state that you are in support of the law and how it REALLY works. Regardless of whether it is right or wrong.
Originally posted by MrWendal
Yet nothing you describe makes any sense when taking into account that a SWAT team arrived at the home with automatic weapons. Sneaking up on the home like they were raiding a dope house. That is not how DV calls are handled.
they were called to the house over a bogus domestic disturbance call that was made by a feuding neighbor.
Originally posted by Superhans
I really don't see anything about them being flagged as "Constitutionalists" the story throws that in there without any verification. The cops mention it (according to the story) but the reason the cops were there in the first place was because of a feuding neighbor.
they were called to the house over a bogus domestic disturbance call that was made by a feuding neighbor.
This story is so over the top sensationalized, it was quite clearly written for those who had their mine made up after reading the headline. We have no idea what the neighbor told 911 operator, for all we know he could have told the cops the couple shot someone.
This type of "journalism" is no better than fox news, just because you are in agreement with this kind of shoddy reporting it does not make you any less of a mindless rube.
I really don't see anything about them being flagged as "Constitutionalists" the story throws that in there without any verification. The cops mention it (according to the story) but the reason the cops were there in the first place was because of a feuding neighbor.
um...you don't see them flagged as Constitutionalists but at the same time acknowledge the police recording labeling them as such??
Are you familiar with these guys?” asked a deputy identified in the 911 recordings as “Officer 57.”
“Negative,” answered another deputy designated “Officer 56.”
"In a recording that surfaced after the raid it is explicitly stated that this couple is being targeted because of their political beliefs."
Make up your mind.
Yes we have an idea what the neighbor said. It's stated. But you apparently have an agenda of denouncing the OP. What's your end game? Should it be on CNN or FOX in order to prove itself?
You're right but for all we know, it's more than is being reported because as we all know, the truth is edited.
A straw man, known in the UK as an Aunt Sally, is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet nonequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[
Please troll elsewhere or at least contribute to a thread when you understand the content and are fully aware of the terms you quote.
But you apparently have an agenda of denouncing the OP. What's your end game? Should it be on CNN or FOX in order to prove itself?
Originally posted by Superhans
reply to post by jude11
Please troll elsewhere or at least contribute to a thread when you understand the content and are fully aware of the terms you quote.
Im not trolling, I speak the truth.
But you apparently have an agenda of denouncing the OP. What's your end game? Should it be on CNN or FOX in order to prove itself?
I never said nor alluded to any of that, its a position you made up and attacked making it a strawman.
If you cannot refute any of the points I made that is fine, you do not have to resort to calling me a troll to make a point. When someone is right they are right, you don't HAVE to argue with them.edit on 15-10-2012 by Superhans because: (no reason given)
A straw man, known in the UK as an Aunt Sally, is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[