Turkish F16s intercept Syrian civilian flight from Moscow to Damascus

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posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by milkyway12
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How is Russia going to make us sorry? War? Really? You honestly think the United States military is afraid of war? No one wants to go to it, but we obviously dont fear it.

There is nothing Russia can do to us that we cant give back 10 fold.

War between the super powers is inevtiable. It's just how long can we delay the launch of nuclear missiles? War will happen. Common sense tells us this.

The only way Russia will defeat NATO, is with Nuclear warheads. They have no other means to beat NATO.
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Even with using Nuclear weapons Russia would not win. That is why they are so keen on Obama removing the missile shield so we will be vulnerable. Sad part is Obama is willing to do it.




posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by la2
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Russian gas comes via pipelines, its cheaper than elsewhere and if you remember right they did it to Georgia in 2010, causing alot of hardship.



You can piss off one customer without worrying too much. What business can piss off nearly all of its' customers simultaneously without going bankrupt? It will be a bit more expensive, but the West would still get its' fuel. Russia would lose out on a lot of money. In doing small harm to the West Russia would be doing double harm to itself.



posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 06:08 AM
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Originally posted by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by stumason
If the Turks had specific intelligence sanctions against Syria were being circumvented on an aircraft traversing their airspace, they not only have the right, but an obligation to investigate.

There won't be a war with Russia over this, or anything to do with Syria for that matter. Neither the Russians (or the Chinese for that matter) have the capability (or even the desire) to take on the West


They are going to derust a few of their old Naval ships and set out for America hoping their ships don't sink first.


The Russian Bear just isn't what she used to be...








posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 06:17 AM
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Your entire post is factually incorrect and more than a little silly.

Why not pick a technology to trumpet Russian greatness that the U.S. military industrial base hasn't dominated for 70 years?

There's an old military quote, "Amateur's study tactics, professionals study logistics"....



Understand? Didn't think so
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posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 06:31 AM
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Russia has a naval base in Syria so it makes no sense that Russia would be moving weapons and such by plane when they can just ship it in. Turkey shouldn't have forced that plane down without having any hard proof of what was on board.



posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 06:35 AM
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Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
reply to post by Alternative4u
 


Your entire post is factually incorrect and more than a little silly.

Why not pick a technology to trumpet Russian greatness that the U.S. military industrial base hasn't dominated for 70 years?

There's an old military quote, "Amateur's study tactics, professionals study logistics"....



Understand? Didn't think so
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All that chart shows is that it costs more to make weapons in America than other countries. This happens when the military is turned into a for profit company. Also Russia still ranks as the second most powerful military in the world anyone that thinks they are pushovers is a fool.



posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by detachedindividual

Are you planning to ever add something of note to these discussions, or are you just going to repeat the same bombastic attacks on anyone critical of Assad? What's your personal interest here?

All nations are within their rights to ground any plane in their airspace for any reason. Turkey is well within their rights to divert this plane to the ground and inspect it, just as any nation is within their rights to stop and inspect any ship in their waters.

You think Turkey should just ignore intelligence and allow a potentially criminal transport of weapons over their nation? I don't think so. I can guarantee that if this were Russia or Syria diverting a flight for the same reasons you would be defending it. But because it's Turkey, they're "puppets"?


It'll be interesting to see if they come up with anything on that plane, and what Russia says about it if they do. I guess we'll find out in the coming hours.


my "personal" interest is watching the war mongerers start wars.....and saps like yourself, who bend over backwards, trying to justify these, pre decided actions

syria has issues....so whats this turkey stance
syria have internal issues....so why add pressure.

the turkish PM..you know, the one that inprisoned the countries generals, is a zionist.

he had 20 reasons to address isreal...but didnt
they are in somalia...investing heavily
and now hes trying to help redraw the map


i tell you something - your BS worked before - but this war will actually be felt in springfield
talk to me then, when your hugging trees and smoking doobies
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posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 06:53 AM
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Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by Alternative4u
 


How is Russia going to make us sorry? War? Really? You honestly think the United States military is afraid of war? No one wants to go to it, but we obviously dont fear it.

There is nothing Russia can do to us that we cant give back 10 fold.


WTF..what do they teach you in school!?

its not just about force is it

its about protecting the petrodollar system...without which you can kiss your "force" goodbye
sanctioning iran didnt work - theyr selling oil in their own currency

the BACS countries - russia, china, india - there economy is greater than ours

all china has to do...is put money into the stock market - they can buy the west overnight

but aggreements stop this from happening...not force


peace



posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 07:10 AM
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Originally posted by thePharaoh

its about protecting the petrodollar system...without which you can kiss your "force" goodbye
sanctioning iran didnt work - theyr selling oil in their own currency


Too bad they are selling very little of it


Originally posted by thePharaoh
the BACS countries - russia, china, india - there economy is greater than ours


Actually, the U.S. GDP is comfortobly larger than the Russia Federation, PRC and India combined.

Look it up



Originally posted by thePharaoh
all china has to do...is put money into the stock market - they can buy the west overnight


Actually, U.S. investors already own a much larger private investment in China than China is capable of leveraging in the west any-time soon. The U.S. economy is roughly twice the size of China's economy, an advantage of some 7 Trillion dollars.

China doesn't have the capitol.


Originally posted by thePharaoh
but aggreements stop this from happening...not force


What happens when a nation decides to no longer honor these "agreements"?



posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 07:18 AM
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Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
Originally posted by thePharaoh

its about protecting the petrodollar system...without which you can kiss your "force" goodbye
sanctioning iran didnt work - theyr selling oil in their own currency

Too bad they are selling very little of it


thats not true...they carried on selling to china, russia, india and some european countries who "need" the fuel

in fact hes selling more barrells now....hence our fleets, 15 countries worth, has parked up in the gulf
but we hit them with the currency card this week....watch the people turn!


Originally posted by thePharaoh
the BACS countries - russia, china, india - there economy is greater than ours

Actually, the U.S. GDP is comfortobly larger than the Russia Federation, PRC and India combined.

Look it up

thats GDP bro..not industry
their GDP is going up while ours is going down

they will have nore money in their pockets in the next 50yrs...than we will
lets talk GDP then


Originally posted by thePharaoh
all china has to do...is put money into the stock market - they can buy the west overnight

Actually, U.S. investors already own a much larger private investment in China than China is capable of leveraging in the west any-time soon. The U.S. economy is roughly twice the size of China's economy, an advantage of some 7 Trillion dollars.

China doesn't have the capitol.


80% of US debt...is chinese...nuff said,,we owe them...



What happens when a nation decides to no longer honor these "agreements"?


yea i had this convo with a somalian
the current model is sanctions

i think we need to show them that to protect their investments...these agreements are in their own interests


thanx...you seem cleverer than some of these £$%^&...i enjoyed your tone

peace
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posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by buster2010
All that chart shows is that it costs more to make weapons in America than other countries. This happens when the military is turned into a for profit company. Also Russia still ranks as the second most powerful military in the world anyone that thinks they are pushovers is a fool.


The Russian military only ranks where it does because Russia has maintained its nuclear arsenal on par with the U.S.

The chart represents hard numbers, is your argument that the notoriously inefficient Russian arms industry spends less than 10% of the total U.S. defense budget for 20 years but somehow has maintained parity?

Conventionally, Russia is a mess and anybody who wants to argue otherwise is not as well informed as they are pretending to be on an Internet forum.



posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 09:08 AM
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This is the plane...
SYRIAN_PLANE



posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 09:16 AM
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In August it was reported Russian Marines had been dispatched to the Syrian port.

www.cbsnews.com...

Yesterday it was clarified that 150 US special operations forces troops were already in Jordon.
edition.cnn.com...

The USS Dwight D Eisenhower are on station in the Gulf.
news.sky.com...

USS Stennis Strike Group was dispatched in late August to the Gulf.

www.breitbart.com...


Meanwhile Russian State news agency Ria Novosti reported that the Syrian Ambassador to Moscow Riad Haddad was summoned to the Russian defebce Ministry today.

en.rian.ru...



posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 09:53 AM
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1. Putin's dogs are claiming Turkey had no right to do what they did to the plane.

Truth is, under international aviation rules, sovereign countries DO have the right to demand civilian planes to land and be search if there is credible suspicion by the authorities. Turkey was acting within international law.


2. The same dogs are claiming that Turkey and the USA had been similarly sending military equipment to Syria, so what is wrong with Russia doing the same?

The straight answer:- The difference is that You dogs were caught RED- HANDED IN THE ACT, more so after parsimoniously, piously and hypocritically claiming that that the mother of all dogs - Putin, will support UN efforts, does not support any side in the conflict.

So, WHO then, were the military equipment destined for, covertly send on a civilian plane ENDANGERING the lives of passengers onboard???!!!


3. The mongrel Putin had recalled the Turkish ambassador to the Kremlin to explain for their actions.

Equally, ALL NATO Heads of State, in support of Turkey's courage, should DEMAND the presence of every russian ambassador presence in the host nations to answer for that pariah Putin's actions



posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 10:09 AM
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While Turkey or any other nation has internatioanl rights to force land and inspect any plane flying through its airspace, they do not have any right to arm rebels and fuel civil war inside a peaceful country. This is more absurd given in just one year or so, free elections are due in Syria and winner gets to take the office. Let the will of the population take charge not the civil war and its horrors.



posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 11:36 AM
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ONE issue at a time or we will only argue back to the time of adam and eve..

Right now is the pariah dog Putin's duplicity and outrageous acrimonious demand upon the Turkish ambassador to explain himself in Kremlin, when that mongrel Putin HAD BEEN CAUGHT RED HANDED supplying military equipment covertly to the Humanslayer regime when they had claimed to support NO side!

Putin MUST be held accountable, to answer to his own citizens and to UN for being a hypocrite and LYING!!!!



posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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Absolutely spot on.



posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 12:50 PM
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Eisenhower has been on station for months on a planned deployment, and Stennis is replacing Enterprise, which is heading home to decommission.



posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 02:07 PM
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Don't shy away from topics, when one side arms the rebels the other side will also arm its friends. As simple as that.



posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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Nothing to be shy about.

Only focusing upon the topic of the thread, and not the baggages of the past.

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