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Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?

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posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 03:23 PM
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Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?

Scriptures indicate that God knows that babies in the womb have not done anything good or evil. They also indicate that God hates some babies even while in the womb and innocent. It is also said that God creates us and our characters. Our characters, as we evolve, cannot help but do evil. God then is responsible for the evil that we will do as he has created our natures. Natures that we cannot help but follow.

We can blame our free will and the choices we make for the evil that we do but this does not explain why our God created natures decide to do evil. Theistic evolutionists try to explain this paradox but the average literalist or fundamental Christian does not follow their reasoning.

We have no choice and no free will to deviate from our God given sin nature and God would know this as it is was all planned. Jesus was to die even before man was created. That is why Adam’s sin is called a necessary sin.

If we have no choice in following our sin natures, and cannot deviate from our part in God’s plan, then what is God’s reason for punishing us for being exactly what he created and programmed us to do?

That is why Adam’s sin is called a necessary sin. He could not help but sin and neither can any of us. You cannot help but do evil and thus sin.

This is all rather abstract so if you like I will imagine a viable scenario for us to work with. We all know that many are starving to death in various countries. Imagine one of these starving children walking past a farmer’s apple tree. The child knows that if he steals the apples that the farmer’s family will starve to death. He or she has a choice of either stealing apples to prevent their death or not. The survival instinct being our first instinct, I think apples will be eaten.

That child’s God given nature will choose life, as all natures do by default, and eat an apple. Does that child deserve hell when it’s God given nature drove it to sin?

We cannot do anything but follow our basic God given natures. Do we deserve hell for doing so?

Is God’s punishment unjust?

If sin was required for Jesus to manifest, Adam had to sin. Would his punishment and death have also been unjust?

Did God, knowing Adam would be a sinner and cause God’s/Jesus’ death, hate Adam as well when he was creating him?

Regards
DL

This clip explains theistic evolution and how you cannot help but do evil and sin.

www.youtube.com.../c/6F8036F680C1DBEB




posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by Greatest I am
Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?

Scriptures indicate that God knows that babies in the womb have not done anything good or evil. They also indicate that God hates some babies even while in the womb and innocent. It is also said that God creates us and our characters. Our characters, as we evolve, cannot help but do evil. God then is responsible for the evil that we will do as he has created our natures.


Even though i am not religious my freind there is something called 'free will' that was bestowed upon
us....



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 03:28 PM
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Its just Bible Bull.

It'll serve you better looking for your answers else where.



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by Greatest I am

Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?
Maybe because he is sadistic & cruel with a twisted sense of humour.
and/or
To pay for the sins of their forefathers.



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 03:32 PM
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I"ll give you a S&F for this topic

And a small explaination as well...

What makes you think "babies" have not sinned in their previous lives?

From a christian perspective, reincarnation does not exist... so they prefer to say God knows everything past/present/future... In my humble opinion that is a weak explanation.

God doesn't hate babies... he loves all his children, every single once of them... but Karmic law dictates, what you've done will return to you...

9 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.

2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.


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posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 03:32 PM
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Speaking on OT theory, Adam was born with a choice, his choice led to sin being introduced into mankind, like a genetic disease - thus original sin.

As for God hating babies? Different sects have different views about unbabtised infants, but most faiths provide that the innocent are protected by grace.

~Heff



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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"Why does God hate babies"... wow talk about a false premise.

Babies are just an excellent reminder of our nature to serve self before others.

We must become "as a child"... but then 1 Corinthians 13:11 says "When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me."

When will people realize that it's not the sinner God hates, but the sin itself?
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posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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It's probably just a warning against unhealthy lifestyle while pregnant... "sin" by drinking alcohol and eating chemicals instead of food, then diminish the chances you will have a healthy baby. Just like most of the things in those texts, it's a myth designed to guide us to live a good life. Unfortunately people interpret it as a factual representation of historical fact, which is insane. One thing is for certain, however; there is no conscious "god" stewing up in the heavens seething with "baby rage."



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon

God doesn't hate babies... he loves all his children, every single once of them... but Karmic law dictates, what you've done will return to you...
He sure does have an awfully strange way of expressing that love.




[color=D9C7AB]"I sure do love that boy of mine. Well, actually, I think I may even love him to death.
Bingo!! I just had a brilliant idea. I'm gonna send my boy that I love so much, down to Earth, so that he will be tortured by the other rodents down there."







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posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 03:52 PM
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Well lets put it this way....

IF you had millions of children... And they routenely stoned people to death for the most ridiculous reasons, and you had one "special" child who understood the exact way you wanted your children to act.

This child volenteers to sacrifice himself so that the rest of your children could live better lives...

Would you send your "special" child to attempt to help them, even though you know the other children will mock and make fun of him, and eventually kill him because of what he taught.

Sacrifice one for the needs of the many?

Even if a few of these children "heard" what he had to say and agreed with it, and attempted to spread that message... i would say mission accomplished.

Oh and lets not forget... His death is only the death of the body... his spirit still lives


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posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 04:02 PM
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The only reason man put that in the bible is that those who follow the man made word of god, the bible, would get their children baptised and make them jump through hoops in the name of god (controle and money) COndition them early on so they will be more easily controled later on.



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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easy answer for christians.
you are born into original sin from eve,
and the only way to be saved and go to heavan is to let jesus into your life to save you....
or some rubbish along those lines!

true evil is born out of the hearts of wicked humans.



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by Greatest I am
Why does God hate babies who have not sinned?


You're not considering that God exists outside of time and everything we do has already happened.


Originally posted by Greatest I am
If we have no choice in following our sin natures, and cannot deviate from our part in God’s plan, then what is God’s reason for punishing us for being exactly what he created and programmed us to do?


You do have a choice.


Originally posted by Greatest I am
That child’s God given nature will choose life, as all natures do by default, and eat an apple. Does that child deserve hell when it’s God given nature drove it to sin?


Good and evil only exist as intentions - not deeds. If that child ate the apple without knowing it was for someone else then he has done no wrong.


Originally posted by Greatest I am
We cannot do anything but follow our basic God given natures. Do we deserve hell for doing so?


If you have a conscience then you have a choice whether or not to act on your ill intentions.


Originally posted by Greatest I am
Is God’s punishment unjust?


No.


Originally posted by Greatest I am
If sin was required for Jesus to manifest, Adam had to sin. Would his punishment and death have also been unjust?


Jesus existed before mankind, so sin wasn't required for his existence. If you are saying sin was needed for Jesus to be born in human form then there's no way anyone can dispute that because no one knows. Although, one can say he may have also been here for other reasons.


Originally posted by Greatest I am
Did God, knowing Adam would be a sinner and cause God’s/Jesus’ death, hate Adam as well when he was creating him?


Adam didn't cause Jesus' death. If you use that kind of logic then you must trace the death back to God - since God created Adam. I think he loved Adam and that is why he allowed Jesus to die for our sins.

 

Remember, don't confuse deeds with intentions. The tree of knowledge of good and evil gave us our conscience. We learned of evil and that is what will surely kill us - ill intentions(evil).



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by DarkKnight21


When will people realize that it's not the sinner God hates, but the sin itself?
edit on 10/10/2012 by DarkKnight21 because: (no reason given)


Just going with your theory, if a man dies with a sin on his soul, does just the sin go to hell, or the soul?

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posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 06:27 PM
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All I know is whenever I presume to know the Mind of God, I am quickly put in my place. I'm just gonna trust that He knows what He's doing.



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 10:11 PM
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I rather like the theory that the "original sin" was the discovery of sexual reproduction by the genetically engineered by aliens people that were "Adam" and "Eve."

Expression of duality does not mean that God "hates" us. Gotta know dark to know light-without one there could not be another because there would be no point of reference.

This also does not take into account reincarnation and the idea that our souls choose the lives we are born into for the purposes of spiritual evolution.

I think religion has confused you and twisted up your brain.



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 10:11 PM
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Double post

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posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by Akragon

This child volenteers to sacrifice himself so that the rest of your children could live better lives...

So that's the reason?

I thought that he was sacrificed so that the other human scum could continue living the same way, but now would be given the opportunity to erase all of those cruel deeds, by claiming to be sorry and repenting before death.



posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 12:09 PM
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Actually from my understanding this was written as a statement of Roman Catholic beliefs at the Council of Carthage in 418 which came about as a direct result of the theological conflict between British Christianity and Roman Christianity... and the more personal theological dispute between St Augustine of Hippo and Pelagius over free will and original sin.

It is an interesting theological dispute and well worth digging into, especially the allegation aimed at St Augustine (and Rome) that they where not teaching the original message brought by Jesus, the intriguing part is that Pelagius was held in the highest regard at the time, and in the end protected by the Eastern Church, while the Roman Church sent St Germanus of Auxere (and others) to Britain to eradicate the Pelagian views that where embedded in the British culture and leadership.

It is interesting to think how those strands not only exist today, but also how they stretch back into antiquity.
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posted on Oct, 11 2012 @ 01:06 PM
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Why do you continue to make intentionally provocative threads with the sole intention to goad people of faith?

Let's take a look at some of those little gems, shall we?

God is immoral
Women: God's afterthought
When you become a god, will you use evil the way He does
God does not follow morality
God is the greatest sinner
God pleasures in creating evil
Who's the most evil: God or Satan
God's attributes include evil iniquity
God cannot love or be Love
Is evil a tool of God's boredom
God should bow to man because He's a crappy parent
Is religion institutional child abuse
God profits from murder & genocide
Why do you follow a genocidal god
In the beginning the temple resembled a whore house (you actually spelled it "hoar" house which made me guffaw outloud)

and, of course, now we have the pleasure of adding this little beauty about God hating babies to all the other ones to choose from, which are not mentioned above.

I don't, for one fraction of a second, believe that any of these inane threads are honest inquiries in which you are simply seeking genuine understanding.

I would say more, but I have other really more important things to do. Like, stack toiletpaper rolls or something.....



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