reply to post by Heliophant
thanks for all the replies thus far. They have helped me understand that much more.
In regards to your post Heliophant, I agree with you that it is not wise or "good" to simply toss things around at people for the sake of conversation
or just to give them something they will either not appreciate or even understand.
I tend to only have conversations with people about what I think they might be interested in. I tend to listen more and respond as best I can. I chime
in to add things I think relevant.
I had a conversation with my wife today about my daughters communion. She wanted her to get her dress, party, ect. I said I didn't want her to have
her communion until she could understand what it was about. I said that if my wife wanted to explain it to her, then she should have communion. If
not, I wouldn't like for her to receive it.
I said that because I think it makes it less of an initiation into the catholic faith, and it just becomes another event in her life. I have nothing
against Catholics. I was raised catholic, but I was taught to respect the traditions of any faith since they are the only moral guide most people have
sometimes. If they are thrown aside, then their morality can be discarded similarly. It is not that good people can't be faithless, but most need a
rule book when better ways do not come naturally to them.
I don't want my daughter to grow up and see being a good person as a corny and lame thing like her lessons about the good Samaritan she found boring
before she could even understand them.
I want her to have real faith in things, and be true to herself. If she wants to be catholic, then fine, but I would like for it to come from her.
That it should be appreciated and respected, so that the truth she might discover will be held high, and not tossed aside when things get tough.
IMO, to make things trivial, and toss them around like birthday cake, is just horrible. If when you think to something, you think to its purest form,
its maximum truth you know, you will always see its other forms, because you respected the one.
I don't want her to think that the things we do, our traditions, are as worthless as old sneakers. Useful for a while, but can be outgrown. I want her
to see them as feet, that will grow with her ability to walk, no matter the shoe she wears. So her journey will be honest and true.
She can become a Buddhist, or whatever. I dont care. I just don't want her to jump around because nothing fills her. I want her to be filled and grow,
and if what she fills her cup with does not satisfy her, for the reason she sets out again to be because she has grown, not because she "wants"
something "bigger" to fill the cup, instead of seeing a bigger cup VS a smaller one.
I don't know, went on a tangent, sorry.....I understand what you are saying though, I firmly believe it.
I was just under the impression that the flow of knowledge from one to another was only permitted from member to member, and that even if you met
someone who would be worthy of being taught, that he must be a fellow member first. I have met interesting people and learned from them more than I
could ever show them, they taught me much. If I had to get all introversive over certain subjects with them that would be terrible and rude.
I love learning and sharing knowledge. I like to learn more than I can offer, but only because I am limited in what I can offer. I get excited when
people of like minds are around and we fuel each other's passions and imaginations.
I guess I might be off key when it comes to how the initiated can act around like minded people, who happen to not be members. For some reason I
thought it was forbidden to carry a normal conversation without restrictions on certain subjects, because of membership.
In the end, I will not say that I know everything I need now. I think I know very little, but I like the challenge of forging a road. Maybe that is my
I get what you are saying though, it is as worthless to give what is not sought after, as it is to receive what you do not know you need. Certain
things must be discovered by the seeker, and cannot be shown by the ones who see them. That is true.
thanks for the insight.
Have a good one.
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