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posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 02:46 AM
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If you're looking for a rebuttal, I'm more than happy to oblige.I find commentary such as the kind being displayed in this thread appalling. It reeks of right based nonsense. Right based nonsense no different than the left based nonsense, but I wouldn't expect no different from the OP as he/she continues to post this drivel on a consistent basis. I do believe government is attempting to take over every aspect of human individualism and freedom. I just don't think it's in step with a socialistic idea, but rather government is being used as a proxy tool to establish control by private interests. The interests of the most wealthy. When you believe left idealists actually have any real control you're claiming governing entities in the public eye are actually legitimate, and this couldn't be further from the truth. Taking this angle leads me to believe you really have no idea how the world works. Go ahead and throw them cliched terms (Communist, Socialist, and Marxist) around like they actually hold any weight in governing affairs. Go ahead and claim an existing attack on Christianity so you feel justified in killing and imprisoning thousands upon thousands of individuals who don't hold the same beliefs as the right does. Go ahead and cheer for the privatization of every single aspect of life that way the most wealthy can monopolize and control every aspect of life (sound familiar?).I'm not left or right. I'm not a Democrat or Republican. This day this two party system collapses you won't see me shed a tear for this farce of a democratic republic, and if the time it collapses far exceeds my lifetime I hope my days are short upon this planet. Why would anybody want to be a witness and participant in a system that buries millions into poverty? The system of governance in this country was bought and paid for a long time ago.




posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 02:48 AM
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Revisionist history, alot of it. Blacks were undocumented much like illegals today. Doesn't mean they were all slaves, but define the word. Hell my family dates back before the revolutionary war and fought in it, later on my fathers side, they had a couple 'slaves' (they lived in the south) , but as far as I know they didn't whip them torture or beat them, they worked on a plantation and were fed and clothed and cared for and respected.

Point is, nowhere in our original bill of rights does it condone slavery. The civil war was about states rights more than it was about slavery. One day the Africans came over by the boat load during a time of transgression and landed on our southern shores, as most were still reeling from the revolutionary war courtesy of England, but also building a society, people didnt really know what to do with them. Its not like they knew they were coming and had homes ready to put them in, they really didn't know what to do with them.

Of course, my grandmother helped author a book that documents my families history back beyond the revolutionary war, then it gets fuzzy as we are scots irish who rebelled and alot of the records before then were lost. I haven't read the book because she is the only person I know of with a copy and its about 6 hundred pages long. I am 1/64 native american as one of our ancestors did breed with one of the souther tribes way back. But as the story goes, there was still a history with the rebellion of England and England had convinced most native tribes to fight along side with them as they had greater wealth and resources available. It was not simply the white people coming over and oppressing everyone, there was a rebellion and a revolutionary war going on, things got really weird.

Of course, I dont know if thats entirely accurate, but I am hoping to learn more and possibly finish reading that book if given the chance.



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 02:53 AM
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The rothschilds funded the communist manifesto and the bolshevik lennin and trotsky. They are marxists/socialists/communists, not capitalists.

Rockefeller is not of any different ideology and their family history is not that much different.



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 02:54 AM
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You should find the content I posted appalling.

Dont blame me, Im just the messenger.



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 03:07 AM
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May I recommend I film for you, made by pro capitalists. Real capitalists, who want to return to free market. It's called " the four horsemen" . It frames the argument using the language of the left , but provides the solutions with free market capitalism. It's very interesting and I think you would enjoy it. It avoids any conspiracy bunk. You may have to pay for it , but as a capitalist I am sure that's not a problem for you.





posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 03:26 AM
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Interesting trailer. I am pissed just like any one else. I try though not to misdirect my anger. I want to know that I put it in the direction where it belongs.

I am not some rich capitalist, that many people think I am here. I am in fact well below the poverty line. Its funny though when people hear my ideals they assume I have lots of money. I am one of the poorest individuals in America, alot of that is due to the recession. I do have an education from community college. I don't have huge amount of debts or anything like that. I dont take welfare or food stamps or any type of assistance from government.

Going back on my family history which I am still trying to get a better picture of, one of my ancestors was a prince somewhere, I think in Ireland something happened that I am not clear of exactly but there was a disagreement somewhere and he was dethroned or something, or casted out. That was shortly before the rebellion began as far as I understand. I really have a lot of this still to figure out so I dont know why I am telling you. But I have been under an underemployment spell as of 2008 and had a lot of time to do research, like some pretty hard core research that most people in their life times never get the chance at. Yet I havent even begun to scratch the surface. Anyways, Im not better off than anyone. I am poorer than most people I meet walking down the street even in my own neighborhood, which is mexican and black.

Anyways people tend to make alot of assumptions that are often far from the truth. On both sides of my family my grandfathers are/were WWII veterans, my family has not been involved in any of the wars since, but every war before that. Both of my grandparents were freemasons, I am not, nor is my father. Its not important anyways but things got really messed up as a result of WWII, America is not the same place anymore.



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 03:37 AM
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All together now.....

One...

Two...

THREE !




posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 04:07 AM
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Thank you. This needs to be posted every day. Especially #1 = you will never own anything!!!! You will never be able to pass on to your children anything of value (especially land).

You will be expected to work for the gov't, not for yourself. You will be given what the gov't deems they think that you need, and you can't get any more.

Go ahead - bust your ass for nothing? Human intuition can tell you that's a losing proposition.

Intelligent people know you can learn more by reading and the internet and some cable t.v. than you can by attending any propaganist college program.



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 04:21 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
I have to admit that socialism is not a system that would work in America, but to completely espouse the current form of capitalism and not try to correct it , is just as dangerous to America and the world. The current form of capitalism in America and the world is moving towards a Corporatocracy. Where it is corporations rather than elected governments, that hold the power over our day to day lives. This is just as dangerous as socialism in my opinion.

To ignore the power of the financial institutions and corporations that have more power over national governments than ever before is being willfully blind. You don't go with corporatism just because you hate socialism. That makes no sense, you try and improve what we have so it works for more people not less.






That saddest part about ism's is people dont even understand the simple facts.........



Socialism and Communism and even Fascism are all Oligarchies. Hitler did not rule Germany on his own.


Truth be told the three ism's above me are all made up of progressives. They even try to lie about the political spectrum and say Fascism is far right LOL.




Look at this way the lack of any law would be anarchy this is the far right. The right is for less control not more. The left is for more government control and absolute control is Fascism.



A oligarchy is a forum of government that is controlled by a small group this is what most governments are today including the US.




Our founding fathers wanted a republic ruled by law not a Oligarchy. Socialist hate when you bring up Hitler but he was the grandaddy socialist. He loved the early American progressive movement.
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posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 09:31 AM
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Somehow I'll bet they don't even know you exist.

Socialism might be a welcome change from what we have here now
which is gridlock and stagnation so bad that it is starting to rot and stink from the stalemate, from inactivity.

We are a country of people and not isolated individuals on our own. Isolated people by themselves are not what I call citizens of a Nation. They are islands and can be destroyed or usurped by anything larger and outside themselves. You just better hope that's a good thing. In America it used to be.



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by GD21D
 


You should find the content I posted appalling.

Dont blame me, Im just the messenger.



Wow I can't remember when I have seen such a convincing rebuttal.
Really makes a case for your claims. Of course I am kidding here. It does no such thing.
Pity. I was starting to believe you. Opps lying again. I can't help myself.

I am a damned liberal, fascist, communist, socialist, who hates freedom and free people.


LOL

Where do you guys get this stuff?
We HAVE a Communist/ Socialist Party here in America and even they don't agree with you.



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 11:29 AM
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Dang all 22 members of the US socialist party
are gonna be pissed that you thwarted them again!



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 01:09 PM
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reply to post by xuenchen
 


Thanks for posting that. I found #4 interesting. Interesting how that seems to be relevant and going on even in this present day.



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 01:14 PM
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We HAVE a Communist/ Socialist Party here in America and even they don't agree with you.


How does that surprise you? They rarely agree with each other.



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 01:14 PM
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What about the 80 something that were serving in Congress?



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 01:17 PM
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Revisionist history, alot of it. Blacks were undocumented much like illegals today. Doesn't mean they were all slaves, but define the word. Hell my family dates back before the revolutionary war and fought in it, later on my fathers side, they had a couple 'slaves' (they lived in the south) , but as far as I know they didn't whip them torture or beat them, they worked on a plantation and were fed and clothed and cared for and respected.


Well not all blacks were slaves, some of them at the time were land owners and owned their own slaves. However this does not mean that the African people were not treated as second class citizens, they were. Voting restrictions, segregation, etc. There is a lot of revisionism in the history of that time, but the fact still remains that they were oppressed.

I can define the word slave for you, "An individual who is not free to choose, and is bought and sold as property." That is not a dictionary definition but I think it pretty much sums it up. No matter how well a slave might have been treated, they were still property that had no rights. If a slave ran away and was caught, they would be punished, their is no rational argument or apologetics which can be used to down play the severity of slavery.


The rothschilds funded the communist manifesto and the bolshevik lennin and trotsky. They are marxists/socialists/communists, not capitalists.

Rockefeller is not of any different ideology and their family history is not that much different.


And the Bush family did business with the Nazi's, whats your point? Sins of the father?

If J.D. Rockefeller was such a communist then why did he believe in free enterprise and become a poster boy for the capitalistic venture?

The same can be said of the Rothschild's, albeit their family is much more diverse in its ideology then the Rockefeller's.

My point being, just because your great grand daddy, or your uncle believe in something does not mean the whole family does, just look at the Huxley's.

Now to get back a little more on topic, I read the list of socialist positions in the OP and all have is...meh.

I agree with a good few of them, a national Rail system, Public ownership of airline industry ( or at least have one public airline service as an alternative), Greater access to all media (not really sure what this one means, free entertainment? We already have that its called the internet), Limits on election donations, free access to attorneys (we already have that), Abolishment of the death penalty, Public Funding for Newspapers and Magazines, Public ownership of all natural resources (not to realistic but a goal to be reached yes) , Financial penalties to be imposed on private companies for toxic spills and waste (already have that too).

I will always understand the conservative mind set when it comes to the elimination of personal freedom, I love liberty as much as the next guy. But what I will never understand is the conservative minds opposition to both progress and change, which are both inevitable and not preventable.
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posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 01:26 PM
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Historically though. Those in favor of slavery have always been primarily democrats. Neither was the KKK any different. Like I said, there is a lot of that time period which is not cut and paste and really easy to understand, revisionist history.

Point is, nowhere in the Constitution does it provide for that, but in those days there was a lot of infighting.

Also I dont care for Bush, I think America was on the wrong path long before he came along.
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posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 01:51 PM
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Historically though. Those in favor of slavery have always been primarily democrats. Neither was the KKK any different. Like I said, there is a lot of that time period which is not cut and paste and really easy to understand, revisionist history.


Of course democrats supported slavery at the time, both parties did. Progressive ideology was not very prevalent at the time, the founders were more progressive then the parties of the mid to late 19th century.


Point is, nowhere in the Constitution does it provide for that, but in those days there was a lot of infighting.


No but it did provide for a right to own property, which people could be considered as. This is why it took an amendment to abolish the slave trade, because people are not property. So that is what the fight was over and the majority of both sides for the longest times agreed that people could be considered property.


Also I dont care for Bush,


I personally was not taking a jab at Bush, I was making the point that the sins of the father are not the sins of the son. So even if one of the Rockefeller's was a communist that does not make their whole family communists or supporters of any socialist system, and history shows that their family are die hard capitalists.


I think America was on the wrong path long before he came along.


And this is the part where I ask you, when?

The US has been an economic, military and social superpower since the end of WW2, this was done through a combination of private and public cooperation. Our quality of life improved drastically due to the social programs that were initiated, and business integrity was at an all time high. This started to change in the 80s...

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posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by Openeye
 


Historically though. Those in favor of slavery have always been primarily democrats. Neither was the KKK any different. Like I said, there is a lot of that time period which is not cut and paste and really easy to understand, revisionist history.

Point is, nowhere in the Constitution does it provide for that, but in those days there was a lot of infighting.

Also I dont care for Bush, I think America was on the wrong path long before he came along.
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It's funny you mention history maybe you should take a course or two to help you understand it. Have you forgotten that the parties switched sides? You say the Democrats favor slavery but if you are going to put in today's terms of parties then you should say the Republicans favor slavery.



posted on Oct, 10 2012 @ 01:59 PM
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All good points and I concur..

I would say it started with the creation of the FED, doubled down as we moved away from the Gold Standard.

Other than that I would place it around the 1960s or 1970s, there was an era of recovery during the 80's and 90's but now we are steadily heading faster towards the abyss.





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