Originally posted by LoneCloudHopper2
So you believe, literally, that The Devil is god of this world. I used to believe that. These days, I am not sure. It looks like a tug-of-war to
me...however, The Divine can certainly be harder to reach. Evil is never far away. It seems that we are all alone in this, trying to make sense of it
and to find God (The Higher Power/The Light) in our own ways. I never found it in church. I didn't even find it in being demonically attacked. It was
always with me to some extent, but I abandoned it, and then got it back. My connection to it has been strengthening slowly over time. I am not sure if
I am being 'tested' of if I've been resistant in some ways and this has slowed it down. But I do feel more connected to that Higher Power than ever
I am not sure if this is paranoid thinking or not, but lately I am wondering how much control The Devil (The Demonic/the force of evil) has over this
world at the political level. I am trying not to get sucked into conspiracy theories, but I am worried how much control it has over our leaders and
thus world events. What are your thoughts on this?
Not to just hop into your discussion, but your remarks make me wish to voice my observations.
What is so "crazy" about believing a very powerful evil entity would have an enormous and powerful grasp over the things of this world, including
politics, if one were to believe in such an entity? Doesn't it actually make sense if that is the case?
Why would Lucifer rebel against God if he did not think he at least stood some sort of chance? I mean, why would the highest created entity of
all-time (as the Bible pretty well states), with all of that intelligence, power, and knowledge, "think" he even had a chance if he were not pretty
darn powerful himself? This being knows God, it knows God's power, it has seen it and experienced it (perhaps for a very long time), yet it somehow
gets the idea in its head that it stands a chance? Is it really all that wise to chock such an attempt up to mere arrogance without considering what
manner of intelligence and power that arrogance must have developed from? Is it really all that wise to think that this being is not an absolute
threat to God's Creation when God decided He had to send His only Son to stop the onslaught of this being? This being may not be a threat to God
Himself, but obviously God considers it a threat... then to whom? This being, I propose is the greatest threat that could possibly exist toward
God's Creation, AND, even God takes that threat very seriously - at least that is what I garner from the Bible and a logical deduction.
That being said, would it not make absolute sense for such an entity to utilize the culture and structure of man against him, just as we humans do
with one another, in war? Wouldn't it seem practical for such an entity to seize control over the powers of the world? And where is most power
found but in the pillars of civilization and society itself: politics and government, money and finance, religion, art, science, education and the
languages? Certainly those things are not evil, but wouldn't such an entity wish to dominate them in order to exercise its greatest influence and
In my mind, if you believe in such an evil entity as the devil, Lucifer, or Satan, then you are absolutely blind or gullible if you do not also
believe that entity has a very large degree of persuasion and control over political action. It was the early Church Fathers who said that (and I
paraphrase from the Ante-Nicene Fathers - just do a search for 'fasces' inside the PDF volumes of the Ante-Nicene Fathers) "demons dwell where
there are those who wear purple robes among the fasces" (eg.
in government). My paraphrase can be found in one of the sources quoted in
(I can't remember which one).
If the devil does not exercise an enormous amount of control over the culture and politics of human civilization, then he is a pretty lame enemy, and
I find it hard to believe that God would place so much emphasis on watching out for such a dud. The greatest trick of the devil is not to make people
think he does not exist, but rather to make those who think he does exist believe that his power and abilities border on the juvenile. If, when one
turns over the last rock they do not find the devil, then I would conclude there is no devil, for if there is one (and I think there is), then such an
entity should be found behind every major world event (and many seemingly minor events).
If you wanted power where would you go to gain it? Do you not think the devil would do all that you could think and more?