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Seriously: has that kind of swing ever happened this late in a campaign? Has any candidate lost 18 points among women voters in one night ever? And we are told that when Obama left the stage that night, he was feeling good. That's terrifying. On every single issue, Obama has instantly plummeted into near-oblivion...
...But on the core issues of the economy and the deficit, Romney is now kicking the president's ass
Look: I'm trying to rally some morale, but I've never seen a candidate this late in the game, so far ahead, just throw in the towel in the way Obama did last week - throw away almost every single advantage he had with voters and manage to enable his opponent to seem as if he cares about the middle class as much as Obama does. How do you erase that imprinted first image from public consciousness: a president incapable of making a single argument or even a halfway decent closing statement?
Too arrogant to take a core campaign responsibility seriously. Too arrogant to give his supporters what they deserve. If he now came out and said he supports Simpson-Bowles in its entirety, it would look desperate, but now that Romney has junked every proposal he ever told his base, and we're in mid-October, it's Obama's only chance on the economy....
...Or maybe, just maybe, Obama can regain our trust and confidence somehow in the next debate. Maybe he can begin to give us a positive vision of what he wants to do (amazing that it's October and some of us are still trying to help him, but he cannot). Maybe if Romney can turn this whole campaign around in 90 minutes, Obama can now do the same. But I doubt it. A sitting president does not recover from being obliterated on substance, style and likability in the first debate and get much of a chance to come back. He has, at a critical moment, deeply depressed his base and his supporters and independents are flocking to Romney in droves.
I've never seen a candidate self-destruct for no external reason this late in a campaign before. Gore was better in his first debate - and he threw a solid lead into the trash that night. Even Bush was better in 2004 than Obama last week. Even Reagan's meandering mess in 1984 was better - and he had approaching Alzheimer's to blame.
I'm not giving up. If the lies and propaganda of the last four years work even after Obama had managed to fight back solidly against them to get a clear and solid lead in critical states, then reality-based government is over in this country again. We're back to Bush-Cheney, but more extreme. We have to find a way to avoid that. Much, much more than Obama's vanity is at stake.
You know, for all the respect these "independents" get they seem to be the ones that are easily persuaded, maybe they should be labeled the "gullibles" instead.
Originally posted by theconspirator
who cares. the polls will change in boths favor at least 4 more times before voting day. Americans are stupid like that.
I'll forward your post to the Daily Beast, maybe it will make them feel better...
Originally posted by redtic
I tend to think that 538 gives the best poll analysis out there and gives some perspective to the recent debate debacle.
There's no doubt that Mitt got a bump out of that debate, but it remains to be seen just how much and whether it has any staying power. There's a lot of debating left and Mitt has just as much implodability as anyone, if not more. Regardless, this will be an interesting 4 weeks.
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
The Right needs to make sure that they don't get too arrogant before this is all said and done.
I agree, Obama got his can kicked, but it wasn't because Romney preached truth from his podium. He lied a bit more than he should have and don't expect Obama to let it slide the next debate.
Also, don't forget about the Republicans that will not vote for Romney. I think the Right may be putting the cart before the horse on this issue.
I must have missed the part where he said he wouldn't repeal it,do you have a link?
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by jimmyx
That's what I don't understand. For the last 3 years my party has made such a big deal about repealing Obamacare, and now when Romney admits he will not do that.....where is the outrage?
Hell, that has been the Republicans entire platform! As a Republican, I am ashamed at times how partisan and stupid my party has become.
Not only will he not repeal it, but he's the guy that started it all.
Mitt Romney raised some eyebrows today when he said, "I'm not getting rid of all of healthcare reform."
"Well, I'm not getting rid of all of healthcare reform," Romney said in an interview on NBC's "Meet the Press."
"We're not going to do repeal it. You're not going to repeal Obamacare... It's not a total repeal... You will not repeal the act in its entirety, but you will see major changes, particularly if there is a Republican president... You can't whole-cloth throw it out. But you can substantially change what's been done."
Actually I'm in the Ron Paul camp but since he bugged out I'm for the next guy that will beat Obama.
Originally posted by DOUGH3914
reply to post by Thunderheart
you are truely have a thunderheart for the romney circle.....i wish you well my friend