Dr, Alan Sabrosky on PressTV 9/10/2012

Dr. Alan Sabrosky goes over his findings which laid the blame at Israels door step for the crime that is known as 911. on the eve of the aniversary of the event. please tell me where this Ex-Marine, Director of Studies at the U.S. Army war college has it wrong ?

reply to post by 1BornPatriot


Where does he go wrong?

@4:23 "there was effectively no damage to any face of the building.

Demonstrably false. Ample photos show considerable damage to the North face of WTC 7 due to damage from the collapse of the WTC north tower.

@4:33 "it went straight down into it's own footprint"

Demonstrably false. WTC 7 did not collapse into it's own footprint. Rather, it caused severe damage to adjacent buildings, especially 30 West Broadway, Filterman Hall, to the extent that it had to be rebuilt from the foundation up.

I'm not watching the rest of this crap. This guy has pulled all of his arguments from youtube videos that have been discussed ad infinitum on this site.

I resent the use of this guys credentials as a marine corps veteran and instructor of the War College. This has no bearing on his ability to evaluate Youtube Videos, which are his only sources. The attempt to portray this man as some kind of authority on the subject fails. Not only does he have no relevant expertise, but also, he has done no original research, besides watching Conspiracy Videos. He has nothing to add to the discussion besides his irrelevant credentials.

This video fails to convince me.

reply to post by DrEugeneFixer


Continued: I decided to watch some more of it.

@9:31 (paraphrase) israel had a positive reason to perpetrate this as a false flag: to bring the US into a middle-east war

If israel perpetrated the attacks, why have them traceable to factions protecting terrorists in Afganistan, exactly? Afganistan in 2001 posed no threat to Israel at all. Sheer nonsense.

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@10:07 Al Quaeda as an organization lacked the expertise to bring down the buildings in a "controlled demolition"

1. This is unsubstantiated. Knocking down buildings is not rocket science.

2. The "official story" in any version, does not require that terrorists had such expertise. They only had to be able to fly planes into conspicuous buildings.

@11:00 The subject acknowledges the absurdity of the controlled demolitions scenario.

@15;00 Still nothing but crap.

@20:00 Looks like nothing new from here on in. Just generalized anti-israel sentiment.

reply to post by DrEugeneFixer


The fact that this guy served in the marine corps has zero relevance to me. In this day and age I suppose we are all supposed to sit back in awe and swallow everything a person states just because they served in the armed services...along with the obligatory "thank you for your service " line.

The fact that the guy is a doctor has zero relevance to me either. I must have missed it. What is he a Dr. of again?

Both are complacently irrelevant. I would much rather hear the opinions of a dock worker..

And quite frankly after 10 years I am sick and tired and greatly offended by the it was the evil Jew....errr......I mean Israel was behind it malarchy.

reply to post by DrEugeneFixer


I like him. In fact I like him A LOT.

reply to post by solarstorm


Where do you think this guy has it right?

Originally posted by Classified Info
reply to post by DrEugeneFixer

 

The fact that this guy served in the marine corps has zero relevance to me. In this day and age I suppose we are all supposed to sit back in awe and swallow everything a person states just because they served in the armed services...along with the obligatory "thank you for your service " line.

The fact that the guy is a doctor has zero relevance to me either. I must have missed it. What is he a Dr. of again?

Both are complacently irrelevant. I would much rather hear the opinions of a dock worker..

And quite frankly after 10 years I am sick and tired and greatly offended by the it was the evil Jew....errr......I mean Israel was behind it malarchy.

You'd rather much hear the opinion of a dock worker over a former marine & doctor? Really? Well then, no wonder you're totally unopen to the idea that the Official Story has inconsistencies in it.

Originally posted by homervb

You'd rather much hear the opinion of a dock worker over a former marine & doctor? Really? Well then, no wonder you're totally unopen to the idea that the Official Story has inconsistencies in it.

Yes I would but what does that have to do if I have an open mind or not? By wanting to hear from a dock worker or candlestick maker I think I am keeping an open mind.

My mind is completely open to any new theories that are out there but I have not seen any for some time now. It seems to be nothing more than a rehashing of things that I have heard years ago. If any relevant new info is presented I'll take a look at it with an open mind like I have been doing for almost a decade now.

Originally posted by homervb
You'd rather much hear the opinion of a dock worker over a former marine & doctor? Really? Well then, no wonder you're totally unopen to the idea that the Official Story has inconsistencies in it.

If I'm going to listen to somebody rehash a bunch of stale conspiracy theories that originate on Youtube, I'd be just as happy hearing it from a dock worker. The identity of the speaker only adds credibility in the case that her work or experiences give her a background and experiences that enable her to speak with some credibility.

Thus in this case, the man's identity adds no credibility, since we can see that he's not an expert in evaluating youtube videos.

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

Originally posted by homervb
You'd rather much hear the opinion of a dock worker over a former marine & doctor? Really? Well then, no wonder you're totally unopen to the idea that the Official Story has inconsistencies in it.

If I'm going to listen to somebody rehash a bunch of stale conspiracy theories that originate on Youtube, I'd be just as happy hearing it from a dock worker. The identity of the speaker only adds credibility in the case that her work or experiences give her a background and experiences that enable her to speak with some credibility.

Thus in this case, the man's identity adds no credibility, since we can see that he's not an expert in evaluating youtube videos.

Why is it so hard to believe the MOSSAD played a part in 9/11? You have several news stories reporting Israelis with maps of NYC, vans painted with murals of planes crashing into NYC, vans full of explosives, Israelis "documenting the event". All this was lost in the media even though it had very much to do with the events of that day. I'm not one to call people Zionists or any of that hatred crap but if it was Israelis then it was Israelis. Why do you personally think all of this faded quickly within the mass media? Including the Israeli spy ring which was only aired once and taken off the Fox archives. Why do you think the 9/11 Commission would ignore all of this? I'm not saying I know this is a fact, I'm just asking why do you think this was all excluded? Whether the MOSSAD was involved or not, all of this still raises questions in my mind, how about you?

Originally posted by homervb
Why is it so hard to believe the MOSSAD played a part in 9/11?

I find It hard to believe in theories advanced without evidence.

Originally posted by homervb You have several news stories reporting Israelis with maps of NYC

How sinister! If I was pulled over for running a red light, I'd be found with maps of Toledo, Ohio, Detroit, Michigan, and Portland, Oregon, along with others in my car console. Is everyone with a tourist map a suspect?

Originally posted by homervbvans painted with murals of planes crashing into NYC, vans full of explosives, Israelis "documenting the event".

There are already many threads on ATS that address these subjects, which can be found with the search function.

Originally posted by homervbI'm not one to call people Zionists or any of that hatred crap but if it was Israelis then it was Israelis.

If so, then perhaps the good Dr. Proffessor Colonel might have provided some evidence besides what can be found in ancient YouTube videos that have been discussed endlessly on ATS.

Originally posted by homervbWhy do you personally think all of this faded quickly within the mass media? Including the Israeli spy ring which was only aired once and taken off the Fox archives. Why do you think the 9/11 Commission would ignore all of this? I'm not saying I know this is a fact, I'm just asking why do you think this was all excluded? Whether the MOSSAD was involved or not, all of this still raises questions in my mind, how about you?

In the hours following the attacks, many things were reported and speculated that later turned out to be false, or premature. The reality is that our news media is not perfect, and especially in times of crisis or emergency is prone to report rumor and deliberate fearmongering as if it were fact. It takes more than the mere repetition of a second or third hand account by a newsreader to establish the facts of the day. Many of the supposed 'facts' that you mention in attempting to change the subject are nothing of the sort. For instance, the Van full of explosives, and the Van painted with planes flying into the twin towers are phantom facts that make no sense in any coherent theory of the attacks, and also lack substantive evidence.

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The biggest problem I have believing anything this guy has to say is that by his own admission he had never heard about WTC7 until 2 years ago. He says this around 4 min in. How can you pretend to be an expert on something and not know about this? WTC3 was destroyed too and WTC4 was damaged so badly that it latter had to be demolished.

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

How sinister! If I was pulled over for running a red light, I'd be found with maps of Toledo, Ohio, Detroit, Michigan, and Portland, Oregon, along with others in my car console. Is everyone with a tourist map a suspect?

Wow, you're taking the arrogant approach. All I was asking was your opinion. If I remember correctly they had highlighted places around NYC, not just general maps.

There are already many threads on ATS that address these subjects, which can be found with the search function.

I was asking your opinion, how would you like me to use the search function to find your opinion?

In the hours following the attacks, many things were reported and speculated that later turned out to be false, or premature. The reality is that our news media is not perfect, and especially in times of crisis or emergency is prone to report rumor and deliberate fearmongering as if it were fact. It takes more than the mere repetition of a second or third hand account by a newsreader to establish the facts of the day. Many of the supposed 'facts' that you mention in attempting to change the subject are nothing of the sort. For instance, the Van full of explosives, and the Van painted with planes flying into the twin towers are phantom facts that make no sense in any coherent theory of the attacks, and also lack substantive evidence.

So all this was just misinformation? All of this is lies? There's no facts to this?

Issued by the state of New Jersey:

www.state.nj.us...

State Granted Access to Moving Company's Storage Facility

NEWARK- The State Division of Consumer Affairs ("Consumer Affairs") is asking all citizens who have goods stored at Urban Moving Systems' Weehawken warehouse to immediately contact Consumer Affairs, Attorney General John J. Farmer, Jr., and New Jersey Division of Consumer Affairs Director Mark S. Herr announced today.

The State on Wednesday obtained a court order giving inspectors from Consumer Affairs access to the facility allowing consumers access to retrieve their goods and belongings. The State, at the same time, filed a lawsuit in Hudson County Superior Court against Urban Moving Systems and its owner Dominick Suter alleging violations of both the State's Consumer Fraud Act and regulations set forth in the Public Movers and Warehousing Licensing Act.

According to the complaint, on or about September 14, 2001, Suter departed from the United States and left no one acting as an agent for Urban.

The complaint also alleges that Suter violated the Mover's Act by, among other things, failing to provide Consumer Affairs the name of a current contact person or agent, not adequately responding to consumer requests for access to their belongings and not having an agent available for at least 20-30 per week to allow consumers access to their belongings.

"We became aware of the hardship consumers faced who could not get access to their belongings at Urban's warehouse," Attorney General Farmer said. "By obtaining this court order we can now offer consumers access to what is rightfully theirs. Our lawsuit should serve notice that we intend to prosecute those who violate our laws and undermine the public's trust."

"It appears that goods belonging to approximately 100 consumers are stored at the warehouse. Thus far we have only heard from 36 consumers," Herr said. "We have access to the facility for 30 days so we are urging consumers who have goods stored with Urban to contact us as soon as possible."

Consumers can gain access to the facility on an appointment basis and will have to provide proof of ownership to claim their goods, Herr said.

Consumers should contact Consumer Affairs at 973-504-6442 or 973-504-6228 to gain access to the Urban facility.

A violation of the Consumer Fraud Act carries a maximum penalty of $7,500 for the first offense and $15,000 for the second and each subsequent offense. A violation of the Licensing Act carries a penalty of $2,500 for the first offense and $5,000 for the second and each subsequent offense.

Deputy Attorney General Alan R. Niedz of the Division of Law is handling this matter for the State.

So after all these reports Dominick Suter fled the US because of....false news reports? Why did he not file a lawsuit for ruining his company's reputation?

And then you have the Israeli spy ring;

The Spies Who Came in From the Art Sale

Perhaps most intriguing, the Israelis' military and intelligence specialties are listed: "special forces," "intelligence officer," "demolition/explosive ordnance specialist," "bodyguard to head of Israeli army," "electronic intercept operator" -- even "son of a two-star (Israeli) army general."

"The activities of these Israeli art students raised the suspicion of (the DEA's Office of Security Programs) and other field offices when attempts were made to circumvent the access control systems at DEA offices, and when these individuals began to solicit their paintings at the homes of DEA employees," the document states. "The nature of the individuals' conduct, combined with intelligence information and historical information regarding past incidents (involving Israelis leads the DEA) to believe the incidents may well be an organized intelligence gathering activity."

Much of the Israeli activity, according to the report, centered on Florida. In addition to attempting to gain access to government installations, the document states that the Israelis approached many intelligence agents, prosecutors and federal marshals at their homes -- including one incident on Davis Islands.

Many of the apparent operatives had set up shop at addresses only stones' throws from Arabs in San Diego, Little Rock, Irving, Texas, and in South Florida. The Planet also has obtained a watch list of mostly Arabs under scrutiny by the U.S. government. The addresses of many correspond to the specific areas where the Israelis set up operations.

For example, an address for the Sept. 11 hijacking leader, Mohammad Atta, is 3389 Sheridan St. in Hollywood, Fla., only a few blocks and a few hundred feet from the address of some of the Israelis, at 4220 Sheridan.

A dozen Israelis, including the alleged surveillance leader, had been based in Hollywood, Fla., between January and June last year -- quite possibly watching Arabs living nearby who are suspected of providing logistical support to Osama bin Laden's network. Especially in Florida, where 10 of the 19 Sept. 11 terrorists lived, the revelations about the Israeli activities bolster speculation, reported by a Fox news reporter, that the students-cum-spies might have gained advance knowledge of aspects of the Sept. 11 terrorists -- and not passed on that critical intelligence to the United States.

Some of what has seeped out is disturbing. The Oklahoman, prompted by the French articles, reported last week that 10 months ago four Israelis peddling artwork (but carrying military IDs) were detained near sensitive Tinker Air Force Base in Oklahoma. Le Monde in Paris recounted that six intercepted "students" had cell phones purchased by an Israeli vice consul in the United States. Sources told me that many of the phones had a walkie-talkie feature that was virtually impossible to intercept.

AND THENNNN

You have the Saudis down in Sarastoa who also had direct ties to the hijackers

FBI found direct ties between 9/11 hijackers and Saudis living in Florida; Congress kept in dark

Just two weeks before the 9/11 hijackers slammed into the Pentagon and World Trade Center, members of a Saudi family abruptly left their luxury home near Sarasota, leaving a brand new car in the driveway, a refrigerator full of food, fruit on the counter — and an open safe in the master bedroom.

In the weeks to follow, law enforcement agents not only discovered the home was visited by vehicles used by the hijackers, but phone calls were linked between the home and those who carried out the death flights — including leader Mohamed Atta — in discoveries never before revealed to the public.

AND THENNNN out of complete irony Bush is in Sarasota the morning of 9/11

PRESIDENT BUSH was a few minutes into reading a story to children at a primary school in Sarasota, Florida, when the first plane crashed into the World Trade Centre.

It's all very ironic, and I guess through your eyes is just one big coincidence. Am I right? Why aren't the Saudis in Sarasota included in the 9/11 Commission? Why did the Israeli art student scandal disappear? I don't expect you to know facts, I'd just like your opinion. If Israeli spies are shadowing the hijackers, and Saudis are contacting them, all in the same area...how is it irrelevant to 9/11 and the 9/11 Commission?

bump!