Originally posted by tinker9917
Originally posted by mookie2112
The "New Age" people would call these Indigo Children as they show ODD behavior simply because they are "smarter" and more evolved, DNA-wise. In fact, some claims says these Indigo Children have 3 strands of DNA active.
I was quite surprised when I first read about Indigo children about a year ago, described my ADD/ODD son quite well.
Originally posted by Unrealised
Originally posted by Awen24
I work in Children's Services, and I've had children with this disorder. One in particular.
This isn't your ordinary run-of-the-mill "I don't like authority" type of situation, it's a child whose social dysfunction is so severe that they become their own worst enemy. The child I have in mind was 10 years old, and had become incredibly violent, to the point where he was a safety risk both to himself, and to everyone around him. He came from a stable home, with a loving family, and had no clear factors that would cause such a disorder.
The greatest issue for this child was that his ability to process and employ his own skills of inhibition was severely limited - so that controlling himself under any form of duress was a near impossibility.
In terms of diagnosis, the child doesn't just have to meet those criteria on paper. These are issues that extend far above and beyond any normal defiance. Every child has periods of defiance; that's perfectly normal, and developmentally necessary. That isn't what the disorder involves.
So while I understand where you're coming from (every man and his dog out there are being diagnosed with ADHD these days), there is a very real side to this disorder that extends far beyond a mere behavioural issue.
For a point of reference...
The child I refer to engaged in a behavioural therapy program through his school and an external agency. Over the course of a year, his behaviour changed radically. He is now one of the nicest, most well adjusted children you will ever meet.edit on 8-10-2012 by Awen24 because: (no reason given)
To all you people saying "Oh, this is just the powers-that-be trying to put down the people who question", think again.
It's a serious disorder comprised of a group of symptoms that work together to the detriment of the individual. It was serious enough to get a section in the DSM because it stands out against run-of-the-mill defiance.
Imagine not being able to control the part of your mind that regulates acceptable levels of social interactions? Well, this is one of many socially-centred disorders, and it needs to be known by the general public, because it could be mis-diagnosed as just a naughty child or a bad adult, which functions on a different level.
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
I'm insulted. Apparently psychiatrists think that simply because children question authority, that they have a neurological disorder.
Opositional defiant disorder (ODD) is a diagnosis described by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) as an ongoing pattern of anger guided disobedience, hostilely defiant behavior toward authority figures which goes beyond the bounds of normal childhood behavior. People may appear very stubborn and often angry. A diagnosis of ODD cannot be given if the child presents with conduct disorder (CD).
So...I mean, a disorder? An actual disorder? Let's look at the symptoms.
Signs and symptomsSome signs and symptoms that must be perpetuated for longer than 6 months and must be considered beyond normal child behavior to fit the diagnosis are:
The child must exhibit 4 out of the 8 signs and symptoms listed below in order to meet the DSM-IV-TR diagnostic threshold for oppositional defiant disorder
Actively refuses to comply with majority's requests or consensus-supported rules
Performs actions to deliberately annoy others
Angry and resentful of others
Blames others for his or her own mistakes
Has few or no friends or has lost friends
Causes constant trouble at school
Spiteful or seeks revenge
Touchy or easily annoyed
Generally, these patterns of behavior will lead to problems at school and other social venues.
This is atually probably one of the most nonsensical things I've ever read. Why is that we strive to 'diagnose' every little thing? Is it possible your child is just a dick? Or he's smarter than your average bear?
Is it possible that children recognize that un-questioning faith and obedience is a bad thing to have?!
I'm at a loss for words at how idiotic this whole concept is..
Somebody please enlighten me as to nature of this 'disorder' and why we've wasted countless hours attempting to figure out what is wrong with children, when there apparently isn't anything wrong, other than they have a problem with authority.
~Tenthedit on 10/8/2012 by tothetenthpower because: (no reason given)
This disorder is more than expecting them to conform to the system, or to be a sheeple. It is more than just a child rebelling. My 16 yr old son, for example,,, took his wii away for not doing his chores for a third day in a row (home all day this summer, no job, etc) and to "get even" hid my alarm clock and coffee pot.
Child in a rage, yet again, is out at 2 in the morning wandering the streets (small town though) because he WANTS mom to worry and go looking for him (which I do), is brought home by the cops (who I myself called), and is belligerent and "dares" the cops,(who are trying to help him and talk to him), to give him a curfew ticket (which I would have to pay), and laughs at me for not seeing him at 7-11.
Same kid gets sent home from school, for being disruptive and disrespectful over and over in the same day, but refuses to leave the school "because he has the right to an education" he said , Cops called and still refuses to leave, ends up in handcuffs and taken to the police station, put in a small room with me, gets disrespectful and belligerent , and "dares" the cop to follow thru with putting him in the holding cell. Guess what? Straight to the cell he went! From there he went to residential treatment after many visits to our home from the police this summer, during his violent outbursts in which I estimated at about $2300 in one month's time.
He would intentionally do things, regardless of the discipline received as a result, just to defy his parents. I'm not talking about being an independent thinker or trying to stick it to the man. I'm talking about malicious, intentional, "I will do everything I can just to be contrary to what I know they want, even if it hurts me and everyone else around me," destructive (and self-destructive) behavior.
One moment she is calm and serene, the next she will be screaming that she hates you, she will kick out and lash out, we can't put her in time out as she will bang her head off the wall. There is a VAST difference between children who are merely badly behaved and children with ODD. The doctor has told us that the area of the brain which is affected also causes her epileptic fits which are a physical symptom. I defy anyone to live with someone who has this condition for a week and then come back to me and say that it is merely psychological dribble. Despite everything we have had to go through with her I love my daughter to pieces, and if I have anything to do with it she will grow up to be a happy and productive member of society.
Originally posted by Darkblade71
reply to post by mookie2112
Well whatever the reason for the reactions to injustice or perceived injustice,
it is certainly a problem for the child.
I was kicked out of every school I went to until I was sent to an alternative center where I fit in with all of the other kids. I saw and experienced what is labeled as ODD. Back then they didn't have a label for it other than emotionally disturbed.
My niece has it pretty bad,
but is learning to control it better as she gets older.
Tis a learning process.edit on 9-10-2012 by Darkblade71 because: (no reason given)
It seems there are more disorders for kids than there ever was.
ODD is just another label so big pharma can make even more money and so parents don't have to take responsibility for their parenting skills or lack there of....which seems to be a common trend here. It amazes me how doped up kids are today.
Whatever happened to parents just taking responsibility for their kids actions instead of trying to find something wrong with their kid? It's like it is ok for their kid to act a certain way because he/she has insert label. I have seen parents justify their kids actions because of these dumb labels. Instead of the parents taking responsibility for their parenting skills they blame ODD or ADHD and so on instead of themselves for LACK OF PROPER PARENTING! IMO these labels only hurt.
Now do I think some kids have issues, yes for sure but the majority out there are just being kids and have no disorder and just being labeled for profit. Sick sick world...
I hope my post didn't come across as denying the existence of such disorders.