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Putting words in my mouth it seems, where did I advocate force to drive on the roads! So you believe there should be no rules or standards enforced on the roads because it infringes on your freedom however, driving is a skill that needs training and every country on the planet requires you to obtain a license to prove you can drive properly. In Thailand for example you can just buy a license for about $16.50 (Baht 500) go out and smash up yours and another car because you had no real training - This my maid did recently after I paid for her to have 20 lessons (which they skipped and told her to just pay for the test).
I'm sorry whilst I am a believer in more freedom, it has to have some limits and rules - sensible rules. Whilst I think that the UK tax system is grossly unfair, I do not disagree with the road rules, which are very, very sensible, albeit insurance is very expensive (too epensive I agree).
When I said school teaches us the basics, I meant that it teaches us to read, multiply and write and we have to wake up from this media infested world and wake up.
I'm sorry but Dave is wrong to drive without a license, registration, MOT, insurance or any identification. Who is he to demand I.D. when he has none himself, he thinks he is above the law and sets a different precedent for himself above others, that is not freedom! Freedom needs some logic and basic rules otherwise what you have is anarchy!.
Freedom is not freedom if there is no respect for others, other than yourself, that is called selfishness, plain and simple! Unfortunately, like most countries the UK has laws and Dave broke several therefore he has to face the responsibility for it. By your argumnent, you are saying its OK to go round murdering people because to arrest someone for doing so would infringe on their rights!
Have I understood you correctly???
Originally posted by mee30
reply to post by DaveMurphy25
Hello dave and welcome to ATS. What made you come here? Did someone inform you of the thread or do you just lurk here as I used to?
Hiya, One of my friends told me about this thread, I regularly visit ATS but never been to the forum before
This is pretty much what Gypsy's do and how they can get away with a lot of thing most people cant. Yes some laws are exempt when you do this but it is also a very stupid thing to do because you loose a LOT of benefits. No JSA, No NHS and lot of governmental services will help you, also no NI number. I don't think many countries support this way of life though, it is technically created for people who want to live a free life like hermits and extreme hippy's who want to go out into the wilderness and live off the land. But like a lot of law's it is abused.
Originally posted by Zngland
reply to post by juleol
Originally posted by Hongkongphooey
Dave is your perfect example of how a little knowledge is dangerous!
Dave does not understand that the law he cites is from times before the motor vehicle was invented and has now been superceded by newer more appropriate laws. Whilst, I do think freedoms have been limited unneccessarily in many instances, this is not one of them!
There are very good reasons for making people have a license to drive, pay road tax, MOT and insurance.
A driving license is required to show that you have acquired proficiency in controlling what in untrained hands is a dangerous weapon that can injure, maim and kill. As long as you take the test and pass you are freely allowed to drive!
Road tax is required to pay for the construction and usage of 'public' roads. If he was using them as he was, then he is entitled to contribute to the building, upkeep and maintainence of the 'public' roads.
MOT's are required to prove the car is roadworthy and not a danger to himself or anyone else, this is understandable and not a big expense as long as the car is roadworthy. If the car is not then you have the option to correct the situation.
Insurance, is required for the safety of yourself and others, damage caused to other vehicles or your own and the same said people's health. I wonder what his opinion would be if his car was damaged by another car and he was injured, with the other driver stating 'sorry I have no insurance, driving license, MOT or Road Tax?'
As to whether Insurance being a big scam, I have had traffic accidents, even had a car 'witten off', I have been hospitalised for emergency operations and I have come to regard insurance as a necessity. If you want to have the freedom to drive, you have to have responsibility!
In my opinion, Dave should have the book thrown at him for the full extent of the law.
I was in absolute disgust at his demands to see Police Government Issued I.D. when he had none to show himself,
Originally posted by Hefficide
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