Why you don't need a licence, insurance, tax, etc to "drive" in the UK

reply to post by 3Dplus


You are so right here, it is even comical to think of the things we as people do. The things we accept are even worse!

The way I see it is that everyone should be able to live by the principles they choose. Now the only clause to that is that you do not infringe on anyone else principles. If we could just accept that we would all be far better off.

See I am not against people having the system they have right now, if that is what they want. I just want them to give my system the same respect! Nothing should be done by force and it is ridiculous to suggest it should. We wouldn't accept it in any other part of society.

But hey, take heart because people are waking up thick and fast! It is inevitable that everything will come to a head eventually. We will reach critical mass.

It absolutely disgusts me that so many people are so heavily indoctrinated that they can no longer see that they were meant to be free people, not born into a "Society" and made to fulfill the societies obligations.
I feel sorry for some of you people, you will never be anything more than slaves to your own deficient understanding of what "Freedom" is. and what is more unfortunate, is that, your children probably won't understand the freedoms they were meant to have either.

reply to post by mee30


I have a theory that if everyone just did what they really wanted to, what they are really passionate about, everything will get done. Without squabble.
I know some people who are neat freaks, who love nothing more than cleaning, some people love numbers and maths, others are very good with words, or pictures. Some people are natural listeners, but have no so-called qualifications, others natural healers and carers.
Instead, we have a "carer" having to do the job of accounting (which they hate and causes lots of stress) and they then have to go see a "cleaner", who has to do the job of Doctoring, (which they're not very good at), but have to do it because it's what their dad did.

Hope I'm making sense in my dreamworld Utopia

reply to post by PurpleDog UK


Sorry I didn't see your post but I would like to take a stab at it as I believe their are some straw men here...

Very interesting few clips of video and I do understand what the guy, called 'Dave' is doing..............however...... we all wish to live in a law abiding society where (hopefully) criminals and wrong doers are punished accordingly......

So do you believe we live in such a society, I could quite easily show you and continue all day with examples of how we do not...

Yes, we and I may agree that the law is an ass sometimes and that the cost of car insurance et al is too high but if we all on mass followed Dave's lead then the country would be a far more dangerous and wreckless place............ do you see many of the idiots in society acting with the same restraint that Dave exhibits, under what he would see as provocation...??!

You make a statement here saying that it would be a far more dangerous future etc, but you can not see the future, can you? Also you are missing huge pieces of the puzzle such as the mass education of REAL laws and responsibility. You state the negative mentality of the people that have grown up in a society that you advocate! II don't know how that benefits you?

The answer here is quite simple....... if he feels that the rules are to much or too draconian and that he wants to be 'different' then maybe he should find a place in the civilized world which allows that .?? - answers on a postcard please to..........

Ahhhh so now you too take claim over these here lands? Your rules are final and that is that. Mull this over, I do not wish to FORCE my views upon you! I do not wish to FORCE you to live your life the way I see fit... You however want to use FORCE against me so that I live my life the way YOU see fit! And you have the audacity to suggest I be the one to move?

Now the undercurrent of your post is that dave and others like him do not want rules! This is a complete fallacy as all we want is an end to RULERS! People like dave have the highest possible regard for the REAL rules. The common sense rules. Do not cause harm, do not cause loss do not be fraudulent. We do not need much more than this. If for some reason these rules are broken then the guilty party would seek to make right what they have wronged.

Basically people like dave are not the problem in society and are very responsible respectful people, why is that? Because they have the correct education. And I believe when people learn of their REAL selves they too would take on the same respect and responsibility. Will EVERYONE just be nice and respect each other? No of course not but as you have stated they do not in the society you advocate. How long do you think the trouble makers would last in a free and open society? Where the vast majority respect people and property rights etc?

And look I do not begrudge you have a system that you have now. The almighty democracy and all that. I just simply ask you do not advocate using guns against me so that I bend to YOUR will. I want to live my life how I see fit, while not infringing on the rights of others, of course! I take full responsibility for my actions!

I think you could maybe do a little more investigation into these types of people. They are not your enemy nor a threat to you or the society you wish to be part of.

Originally posted by 3Dplus
reply to post by mee30

 

I have a theory that if everyone just did what they really wanted to, what they are really passionate about, everything will get done. Without squabble.
I know some people who are neat freaks, who love nothing more than cleaning, some people love numbers and maths, others are very good with words, or pictures. Some people are natural listeners, but have no so-called qualifications, others natural healers and carers.
Instead, we have a "carer" having to do the job of accounting (which they hate and causes lots of stress) and they then have to go see a "cleaner", who has to do the job of Doctoring, (which they're not very good at), but have to do it because it's what their dad did.

Hope I'm making sense in my dreamworld Utopia

Yes exactly and that is why the whole idea of a school curriculum is so absurd, it insinuates that we are all the same and all need to know exactly the same as everyone else. Much of what is taught at school is unusable in the real world anyway! Hence why we have opted to home educate also! We have been leaned on due to that too! I actually recorded a conversation I had with a government goon (he was quite nice actually but what does that matter when you are a goon?). I have never posted it on the net as it is 2 hour long and I thought no-one would want to sit through it all. lol It was pretty interesting though.

Oh and as for the people that love cleaning, my partner is one of those! Even though she complains about it she always finds something to clean! lol

We are all built differently and I am taking the child led learning as much as possible. I do believe they need the basics though but bar that they have a free run of it.

The insurance industry is a fraud.

This is how it should work, we all pay one flat fee into a central pot.

If you never have a crash/accident caused by you, then you eventually receive some of that money back.

The majority of us pay more in than we will ever claim back.

If you're poor you get punished more on premiums, so it stifles social mobility and is another way to transfer wealth to big business.

reply to post by ReptileSkinShoes


See, you missed the point, it's about taking responsibilty for your own actions and not letting the state do it for you. Why do some people not get it, oh thats right you spouted off the usual comment about tax, if you live in England, you have to pay tax, why ? Government cant be trusted to spend the money it receives from us in taxes in a way that we would all like, if he can stand up to that and say, i take no service from you, why should i pay, and if i take no service from you and pay for it myself, why should i give you money that you waste and spend on things that do not matter to me. I will pay my way for me and mine and expect to keep all the monies earned from my endeavours.

Mee30 and 3Dplus seem to know what the deal is, it's nice to know i'm not the only 1 on here that has similar views, i was also starting to think there were too many socialists on here.

reply to post by DaveMurphy25


Hello dave and welcome to ATS. What made you come here? Did someone inform you of the thread or do you just lurk here as I used to?

Any way glad you popped in and I'd like to thank you for all your efforts! Regardless of what the naysayers on here say you are doing us all a great service! Keep up the fight!

I'll be checking out your links, cheers.

S&F!

I use a slightly different loop-hole here in Western Australia, have been for 15 years! Never had a license, never been done

The cops know about the loop-hole and are trying to patch it, and im uninsurable so any accident comes out my pocket no matter who rammed into the side of my old 300zx...

I think its a good incentive not to intentionally cause accidents

reply to post by DaveMurphy25


hi Dave
i watched all the videos and was disgusted they arrested you and seized your private property.
can you tell me and all others here what happened after the arrest?

thanks

Dave is your perfect example of how a little knowledge is dangerous! Dave does not understand that the law he cites is from times before the motor vehicle was invented and has now been superceded by newer more appropriate laws. Whilst, I do think freedoms have been limited unneccessarily in many instances, this is not one of them!

There are very good reasons for making people have a license to drive, pay road tax, MOT and insurance.

A driving license is required to show that you have acquired proficiency in controlling what in untrained hands is a dangerous weapon that can injure, maim and kill. As long as you take the test and pass you are freely allowed to drive!

Road tax is required to pay for the construction and usage of 'public' roads. If he was using them as he was, then he is entitled to contribute to the building, upkeep and maintainence of the 'public' roads.

MOT's are required to prove the car is roadworthy and not a danger to himself or anyone else, this is understandable and not a big expense as long as the car is roadworthy. If the car is not then you have the option to correct the situation.

Insurance, is required for the safety of yourself and others, damage caused to other vehicles or your own and the same said people's health. I wonder what his opinion would be if his car was damaged by another car and he was injured, with the other driver stating 'sorry I have no insurance, driving license, MOT or Road Tax?'

As to whether Insurance being a big scam, I have had traffic accidents, even had a car 'witten off', I have been hospitalised for emergency operations and I have come to regard insurance as a necessity. If you want to have the freedom to drive, you have to have responsibility!

In my opinion, Dave should have the book thrown at him for the full extent of the law, to teach him that he is not special, cannot endanger others or waste Police time as he did with his ridiculous arguments.

I was in absolute disgust at his demands to see Police Government Issued I.D. when he had none to show himself, played games that he does not have a name or address, etc. If he wants to be a total non-entity - treat him like one! He should be locked up or sent packing to somewhere like Antartica where he can do what he likes and doesn't have to obey any laws. To some people here who claim he is sane and educated, that does not stop him acting like an idiot!

reply to post by Hongkongphooey


No, you're missing the point, it is about taking responsibility for your actions and not letting the state get in the way, you are accepting of the programmed state they want you in. You think going to school is education, i on the other hand call it indoctrination.

There will always be the 2 sides of a coin

reply to post by FFS4000


I agree about school, but I do not agree with the stupidity of this! School teaches us the basics, yes it tries to indoctrinate and brainwash you. I woke up a long time ago however, society does need basic sensible laws and these laws for driving are sensible. Believe me, I live in Asia and drive in countries like Thailand, Malaysia and Philippines where too many people get killed or maimed by dangerous un-roadworthy vehicles or bad uninsured drivers who just flee the scene! Freedom does not mean that their should be no basic rules or that you should be free of responsibility!

The guy is an idiot!

Did you get your car back Dave?
And did you avoid their charges for storage etc. ?

Fair play to you for sticking up for your principles, and I gotta say those cops were much more patient than the norm.

Originally posted by billy197300
reply to post by FireballStorm

 

I have a question. Who in their right mind would drive without insurance? Accidents happen. What happens if you have an accident, you would be screwed, right?

here is a way, you get about 1000 peoples to put 100$ a month for 1 year.
then you have 1million dollars in a bank account.
then you go and see a notary and have the account put up has collateral in case of a claim.

then you never pay insurrance again...
until one of the thousen people in the group as an accident...
then 1000 people pay for the demages..
the damages never really go for more then 100,000$
witch means a one time amount of 100$.

Originally posted by mkkkay

Originally posted by billy197300
reply to post by FireballStorm

 

I have a question. Who in their right mind would drive without insurance? Accidents happen. What happens if you have an accident, you would be screwed, right?

here is a way, you get about 1000 peoples to put 100$ a month for 1 year.
then you have 1million dollars in a bank account.
then you go and see a notary and have the account put up has collateral in case of a claim.

then you never pay insurrance again...
until one of the thousen people in the group as an accident...
then 1000 people pay for the demages..
the damages never really go for more then 100,000$
witch means a one time amount of 100$.

That would work I guess.

reply to post by Hongkongphooey


I was beginning to wonder when someone would speak some sense on this thread. Thank you..you put into words my views totally.

reply to post by Hongkongphooey

I agree about school, but I do not agree with the stupidity of this! School teaches us the basics, yes it tries to indoctrinate and brainwash you. I woke up a long time ago however, society does need basic sensible laws and these laws for driving are sensible. Believe me, I live in Asia and drive in countries like Thailand, Malaysia and Philippines where too many people get killed or maimed by dangerous un-roadworthy vehicles or bad uninsured drivers who just flee the scene! Freedom does not mean that their should be no basic rules or that you should be free of responsibility! The guy is an idiot!

See this just makes me sigh! You call the guy an idiot but you have not thought this through yourself! You admit that the schools indoctrinate and brainwash. But wait it is not JUST the schools, it is your family and your friends. It is the T.V and newspapers/magazines! It is coming from every angle! Now, you are thinking about people within this paradigm! Try to imagine a time where more and more people become libertarian/anarchistic/freeman like? Where they take responsibility for their actions! Where most WANT to have some insurance as it makes sense to! These people are far from being idiots! They are just refusing to comply with the system! They can not do that and have insurance because he needs his license to do that!

Your last sentence here is just a strawman load of non-sense and shows just how little you know about the subject! The people that are practicing this type of thing fully accept personal responsibility! If they did not then everything they have ever said would lose all validation and they would never be taken seriously again, not to mention they would be shunned by the rest of the community. So there is a lot to lose for them.

You have to look past what you see today to be honest. And no-one is saying there will be a quick fix to the problems.

What you are saying though is this.... I can not think of a way to peacefully have safe roads so therefore we must use force against everybody because they MIGHT be bad drivers! I'm sorry but that just doesn't fly.

Also your example of Asian roads is a little lacking of evidence. Could you show the statistics compared to say the US? Also I could show you where they have removed ALL road signs, traffic lights, road markings, speed signs etc and guess what? It turns out to be super safe! Granted they still have driving licenses and such but the example is to illustrate that less regulation can be a great thing and WORK!

Bottom line, just because you can not think of the peaceful solution does not give you the right to advocate force against everyone!

Dave is on the money here and those who judge and condemn him without doing a proper research are actually being a bit silly .

One would expect a user of this site to know about how and why to differentiate between "The Law" and a "Statue Law".


Unfortunately , ignorance is a bliss .