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You continually confuse empirical science with new age theology. You might want them to be the same thing, they are not. Limited science might be, with much it is yet to learn, but it doesn't necessarily support the ideas in your head just because you want it to.
Scientific knowledge is being refined all the time.
Unverified according to any sane rules ie. an empty statement. Personal truths don't automatically become empirical truths. You don't understand this as yet.
The word empirical denotes information acquired by means of observation or experimentation. Empirical data are data produced by an observation or experiment. A central concept in modern science and the scientific method is that all evidence must be empirical, or empirically based, that is, dependent on evidence or consequences that are observable by the senses.
Your claim of "see for yourself" fails, because many have and disagree with your explanations. This leaves you with only a religious type claim, no more.
No, I'm saying (as I have said continuously and which you are yet to comprehend) the experience counts for a lot, I have found it myself. The explanation, faculties and interpretation you give personally to such experience is questionable. Again, I am not doubting the experience, I doubt YOU. Do you understand?
I say it can't (and back it up the same way you do). So do the "mystics" you claim do the opposite. Your interpretation of it can be. If you find it subjective, keep looking, because you haven't found it yet.
Ever wondered why these same "mystics" don't mention soul or god and seem to indicate that by stopping the mind, illumination comes on it's own?
Apparently everything in this universe/existence that we experience is god's dream. A fascinating concept. It might be better to look into it to see if it supports such substance dualism
Ever genuinely considered classical scientific explanations (seems unlikely). Have you tried to understand what this person is claiming, or did you just put it up because it sounds "quantum"?
This doesn't mean they are true, or that the "respected" scientist necessarily endorses it, or is necessarily even aware of it.
Still waiting for anything indicating you genuinely have the experience you claim.
A couple of simple words could have done it. Keep looking, you might stop making religious claims about it and start finding it one day.
You might even consider other explanations, even scientific ones, who knows?
Originally posted by dominicus
There is no prayer in my reality. It's merely acknowledgement and awe of the Ineffable Infinite. It's a constant stream of epiphanies, gratefulness for every day of existence, for having food, clothes, and a roof over my head when there are others worse off than me. There is also asking for guidance through intuition. You'd be surprised if you knew many examples of what this means. One woman put it out there long enough, using intention & visualization, and won the Lotto. Yea it took 3-4 months, but still.I've seen crazy things as well. Regardless for it to work requires persistence and being genuine. Yes I don't understand these things myself, so not much to say. Definitely possible
I feel you might be given to more than the occasional mystical "flight of fancy". This is pure charlatanism, it is the new age pseudo mysticism/science/woo that "The Secret" or "how to manifest" type nonsense is built on. Scepticism is always appropriate for your type of claims of "mystical" knowledge.
It also appears we are talking of very different things. It seems you are talking about what are basically vivid dreams or "obe" type experiences which is a fascinating subject that deserves more study, at least in some areas (nde etc). Though vivid, realistic and convincing they may be, in general though they offer a view into the mind and psychology of the one experiencing it and can amount to personal fantasy. It can be explained via psychology rather than the more exotic. There is already a scientific explanation for your "non local" idea.
It doesn't matter how many scientists you "know". This gives no more weight relevance to your personal claims and probably makes it harder for genuine scientists to be taken seriously. It seems another instance of reinterpretation to squeeze religion into science. If they claim as you do, they are charlatans also.
I notice the bar is dropping all the time for what religious ideas like god and the soul are supposed to be, it's just consciousness now. It won't matter what is found, "mystics" such as yourself will find a way to make it religious. I guess you could label anything you like this way and no doubt if you have the concept in your head, perhaps even subconsciously, you could have any manner of experiences to match. Whether it would be real being another thing entirely.
I am talking of something very different to what would normally be called an "obe". Rather, the underlying and fundamental aspect of cognizance itself minus anything that could be called a concept, idea, a thought or the mind (such as souls etc). Something that can only appear in the complete absence of these things and makes such beliefs seem not only superfluous, but a bit silly.
Something beyond subjectivity, yet more than that. That requires no particular concept, space or time, because they are irrelevant. If you experience it you will know what I mean.
Whether an illusory/fantasy fluke of neurons and chemical processes, or something that could redefine existence itself in many ways, science will understand it one day.
reply to post by AdamLaw
My question is : Is it possible to be a christian but not believe in Genesis and still think the Big Bang theory is right and that singularity, all 4 forces and inflation are products of God? Or one can not simply chooses as it fits him and must take the whole package?
Originally posted by AdamLaw
Hello guys, I have started a thread yesterday about how an Atheist could become a christian. I must say that i got a lot of u2u replies and replies in the thread also that gave me great insight in how to find God.
Is it possible to be a christian and not give up cosmological evolution. I think that the main thing keeping me away from God is not a lack of faith in a Creator itself but a disbelief in the the whole premise of Genesis.
I mean, I love the whole concept of salvation through the Son of God, and the amazing teachings of Jesus. But even if I seek God all my life, It is impossible for me to deny cosmological evolution(until proven otherwise by science anyways).
My question is :
Is it possible to be a christian but not believe in Genesis and still think the Big Bang theory is right and that singularity, all 4 forces and inflation are products of God? Or one can not simply chooses as it fits him and must take the whole package?
edit on 7-10-2012 by AdamLaw because: (no reason given)